They have no shame - Page 20

houston · #**191** 09-24-2015, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

I hear a lot of disdain for pulpit ministry. Today we are seeing pulpits disappearing and pastors switching to bar stools while wearing blue jeans and flip flops. People want to be entertained at church by a simulated move of God, while refusing to be a cooperative part of the local church that calls on them to be accountable. I am afraid that this number driven church that we see developing is doing far more damage than any teaching of the tithe. It has no absolutes and everything is relative. Homosexuality is creeping in through this door. Israel adopted in many of the Canaanite rituals and customs. I heard someone say the heathen goddess Ashteroth was worshiped as the bride of Yahweh by backslidden Israel. Soon many will see this religious system we call the church is missing the key ingredient, "JESUS". I do believe this is the last days.

FlamingZword · #**192** 09-24-2015, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

The tithing doctrine has really hindered the church. The folks on here defending the tithes doctrine are almost exclusively ministers who no doubt have their lives built around the income that they get from the tithing doctrine, and I can see where it would be hard to acknowledge the truth that has been presented here.

But if you really want to be pleasing in the eyes of the Lord... try Him.

I challenge each one of you ministers whose income is supported by the 10% tithe.. step out in faith, since you are obviously involved in the work of the Lord... and try the Lord... stop teaching the 10%, and explain to the congregation the error of that doctrine, and instead teach them to give as unto the Lord, and that no mandatory 10% tithe will ever be a part of your church doctrine. Test the Lord... and see what will happen.

Others have done it (Votive mentioned one who did it)... you can too... and just see what the Lord will do.

Maybe the rejection of this doctrine will allow true men of God to rise up who aren't fleecing the sheep, and the church that has been set back by this damning doctrine will rise up again to the glory and power that it was meant to have, like the early NT church had.

You can't out give the Lord. We don't tithe, but we give, and we give wherever there is a need. We give to our sisters and brothers in the Lord. We give to local charitable organizations. We give to our family members, especially our parents. Giving is a way of life for us, and that hasn't changed since we stopped giving the 10% tithe. And God has blessed.

God blesses giving... now that is a principle you can count on! Throw the tithe doctrine out the window, and trust God for the rest. Take the leap of faith. God's safety net of giving will catch you

What a bunch of baloney this is, I teach the tithe and I have never taken a penny from the ministry, not one penny.

so your accusation is false.

just like the devil before God. "Doth Job fear God for nought?"

Yes I do serve the Lord for nought,
my income is built around the income that I earn from my job.

I follow Paul's example of never taking a penny from the church in order to stop the mouth of people like you who like to false accuse ministers of being in the ministry for the money.

I have been in the ministry for over 30 years and not one penny from the ministry has gone in my pocket on the contrary thousands of dollars have gone from my pocket to the ministry, and yes I will continue teaching the tithe.

Not only will I defend the tithe, I will fully support those ministers who take the tithe to support themselves and their families, just like Paul defended the other apostles.

KeptByTheWord · #**193** 09-24-2015, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

What a bunch of baloney this is, I teach the tithe and I have never taken a penny from the ministry, not one penny.

so your accusation is false.

just like the devil before God. "Doth Job fear God for nought?"

Yes I do serve the Lord for nought,
my income is built around the income that I earn from my job.

I follow Paul's example of never taking a penny from the church in order to stop the mouth of people like you who like to false accuse ministers of being in the ministry for the money.

I have been in the ministry for over 30 years and not one penny from the ministry has gone in my pocket on the contrary thousands of dollars have gone from my pocket to the ministry, and yes I will continue teaching the tithe.

Not only will I defend the tithe, I will fully support those ministers who take the tithe to support themselves and their families, just like Paul defended the other apostles.

"kicking hard against the pricks"....

I don't doubt for a minute that you are a giver, and that you don't take the tithe. That doesn't change the fact that you believe in a doctrine is not taught in the NT.

Give yes - 10% mandatory tithe - no.

Support the ministry - yes.

Give as you are prospered by the Lord - yes

God bless you Bro. Just telling you facts, and you are kicking against the pricks

KeptByTheWord · #**194** 09-24-2015, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

KeptByTheWord, I appreciate your responses and I respect your position, but please consider ours.

I most certainly have considered yours - I was raised under it, and I know it very, very well!

The Lord delivered me from it, and praise God, I am still a giver... maybe giving even more now than I did before. How does that work?

Because God blesses giving! Giving is the principle that God blesses. You can never, ever outgive the Lord. But giving is not just in monetary things... giving means your time, your prayers, pitching in to help others... helping those in your community less fortunate than yourself... giving is wide open. Don't limit yourself to a 10%. Open your heart up and give all you have, especially first to your family, and then to your brothers and sisters in the Lord. Giving is not limited to a one man show!

Let go of the 10% mandatory tithe, and accept the fact that God wants a heart that gives back as the Lord has prospered. Giving is the principle that works, not the 10%.

And further... the reason Paul did not detail why the tithe had changed, was because in most of the letters written in the NT, they were written to Gentiles who had never practiced the Jewish tithe anyway. So if anything, Paul should have been very specific in teaching the Gentiles how to give their 10% mandatory tithe offering to those unlearned in the law. But he didn't. He taught giving - be ready to give up all, if necessary for the cause of Christ. Hold nothing back. Give and love one another, as Christ loved you. That is the true principle of giving.

10% tithe is a tax. It hinders the work that God is trying to do. Prayerfully reconsider your stance. God will bless you for it. Jump off the cliff into God's safety net of giving... and God Bless you too!

Rudy · #**195** 09-24-2015, 01:28 AM

Let's all just get together somewhere and engage in an old fashion fist fight!!!

FlamingZword · #**196** 09-24-2015, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

"kicking hard against the pricks"....

I don't doubt for a minute that you are a giver, and that you don't take the tithe. That doesn't change the fact that you believe in a doctrine is not taught in the NT.

Give yes - 10% mandatory tithe - no.

Support the ministry - yes.

Give as you are prospered by the Lord - yes

God bless you Bro. Just telling you facts, and you are kicking against the pricks

Well you are kicking hard against the ministry of the Lord, just returning the favor.

The early Christians gave it all, not just the tithe.

If you do not want to give just a tithe, do not give, God does not need your money at all, God does not want your money, you can keep it all.

I do not care if you tithe or don't tithe, it does not affect me in the least bit.

and yes I will keep on teaching the tithe, if you do not like it or agree with it, well deal with it.

FlamingZword · #**197** 09-24-2015, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Let's all just get together somewhere and engage in an old fashion fist fight!!!

Isn't this what the Catholic church did, and end up killing anyone who disagreed with her.

So if you can not convince someone with words, then fists will do?

what if the fists fail to convince someone, will you then use the sword or throw us tithe teachers to the lions?

Rudy · #**198** 09-24-2015, 01:51 AM

Drop the flaming sword and find out!!!!!!!!!!!!

FlamingZword · #**199** 09-24-2015, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Drop the flaming sword and find out!!!!!!!!!!!!

my sword is spiritual, it is the word of God, I will never drop it.

shag · #**200** 09-24-2015, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

my sword is spiritual, it is the word of God, I will never drop it.

Then please draw your sword and answer these questions.

Did occupations like potters, silversmiths, tent makers, jailers, scribes, iron smiths, goldsmiths, bankers, laundrymen, merchants, miners, all paid tithe, according to the scriptures?

If the tithe goes to the ministry, who all out of the 5 fold ministry can receive tithe nowadays, according to the scriptures?

Can we as the church members give tithe directly to the poor, fatherless, and widows by taking them to the grocery store, or does that not count as tithe, according to the scriptures?

Why do you suppose God chose not to bring up tithe at all in Acts 15?

Can we give to "the least of these" people in need ("then you've done it unto me") out of our tithe, or is that unacceptable according to the scriptures?

Again, according to the scriptures I ask.