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Old 12-13-2014, 05:23 PM
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You do understand that the grand jury saw and heard all of the evidence that led to their conclusion, right? And most of that evidence we still haven't heard about.
Actually, the Grand Jury only sees what the Prosecutor wants them to see. We don't know they saw all the evidence. Since the Prosecutor works daily with the PD, in most cases the Prosecutor does not complete his due diligence. There should have been a special prosecutor assigned to this case, in order to guarantee no bias for the cop.
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Pictures say a thousand words, he was killed by the police.
Thats not murder. Thats like saying if he did not die the police had intent to assault.

We've asked this several times without an answer so I ask again...HOW do you recommend police subdue someone resisting arrest?

Ive said this before too. Police ALL across America subdue people resisting arrest. SOMETIMES those people had a preexisting condition that lead to their death

Ok? Killing is not murder. Murder is a legal term.
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I know, I know, the grand jury got this one right..........well, at least 88% right. That is why you all are having a hard time being convinced because of that 88%. Over the last several years I wonder how many bad guys got off because of the jury. I know O.J. Simpson was pleased, I'm sure the cop is pleased as well.
My being convinced has nothing to do with percentages.

OJ got off because the Prosecutors screwed up
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So, we resort to killing a man when they resist arrest?????? .
Are you reading anything we post? Ive said this before and posted information from the web with links so you can investigate

He died from 3 factors. 1 compression on the neck. 2 compression on the chest. 3 Preexisting heart conditions plus asthma

So I ask again. HOW SHOULD THE POLICE SUBDUE SOMEONE RESISTING ARREST?

Ok the cop did not shoot the man. He did not break, injure or compress his air way so he could not breath.

He had one arm around the neck and one UNDER Eric's arm and he rolled him over and wrestled him onto the ground. Police do that all the time. It was not an Illegal Chokehold. An illegal Chokehold compresses the air way

What he was doing was something used in MMA wrestling. He pinned his arm and compressed the sides of the neck.

One more thing, a chokehold that compresses the neck is intended to render that person unconscious...or black out.

Thats another reason why I suspect the Coroners report. He didn't lose consciousness like you see in an MMA fight. This move was more about leverage. Watch the video again. One arm goes UNDER Eric's arm

The reason I call it a headlock and not a chokehold is to distinguish it between what people are mistakenly believing it to be, an ILLEGAL chokehold where the air way is constricted

Here is a video of a security guard with a suspect subdued in a "chokehold" for 4 min. The man does not die

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BTW basically it's a half nelson chokehold
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Please let me know if you watched it or if you refused to watch it because you just want to believe what you want
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Thats not murder. Thats like saying if he did not die the police had intent to assault.

We've asked this several times without an answer so I ask again...HOW do you recommend police subdue someone resisting arrest?

Ive said this before too. Police ALL across America subdue people resisting arrest. [B]SOMETIMES those people had a preexisting condition that lead to their death[/b ]

Ok? Killing is not murder. Murder is a legal term.
There you go again. He didn't die of an asthma attack. Primary cause of death was compression of the neck and compression of the chest. Stop implying he dropped dead of something not caused by the police.
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Old 12-13-2014, 08:17 PM
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David please watch...if you ignored all the other links at least watch this
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Please let me know if you watched it or if you refused to watch it because you just want to believe what you want
There you go again. First, you and PO claim I'm "emotional" or not clearly thinking or reasoning the situation, and now I'm just believing what I want - as though I've offered no facts or links which back why I believe this way.

I didn't waste 40 minutes watching a dumb, irrelevant video by a couple guys looking for attention or more clients. BUT, I did notice something interesting. They talked about how cops have to be careful when going for the neck, because if the chin and elbow are not aligned it could cause the airway to be crushed or blocked, and the person could die.

When Garner falls, and the cop falls with him. he elbow is not aligned with Garner's chin. For reference, the image I posted yesterday shows this quite clearly. I believe the blunt force from the fall, coupled with the cop's incorrect positioning, cause his windpipe to be crushed, then when the cop let go and shoved Garner's head to the side with the cop's full weight on it, it caused further blockage of the crushed windpipe.

Dr. Baden, a well respected forensics expert, was hired by the Garner family. He said this, "We reviewed all of her [the medical examiner] findings and all the tissues and photographs and they do confirm that there's a hemorrhage in the neck indicative of neck compression."

He added this on Hannity, "she [the medical examiner] found that there were 10 hemorrhages on the inside of the neck, in the muscles of the neck, petechial hemorrhages in the eye, hemorrhage in the tongue. And those are all indicative of neck compression. "

"There was pressure on the neck and pressure on the chest." "Pressure on the chest that interferes with the lungs expanding - and hands on the face and nose. So he couldn't breathe."

Again, evidence doesn't lie. Criminals and cops lie, but the evidence is what it is. No preexisting condition will cause hemorrhages on the neck muscle, eye and tongue. That was caused by the neck being choked and constricted. It's one thing for the neck tissue to show evidence of hemorrhaging, it's another thing for his eye and tongue to have the same damage.

I'll repeat this yet again: Primary cause of death was compression of the neck and compression of the chest. The primary cause was not asthma or any other preexisting condition. You can believe what you want and ignore the facts all you want. That doesn't change anything.

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Re: Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indi

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The guy was a criminal, and a very well known one.

As for the cop having a history of brutality, do you have a link for that? I saw you post that before but I'm not finding anything except where two men claimed he strip searched them in public but it was found to be false.
Then any of us who have made mistakes are criminals based upon our pasts. I didn't post the link about Palenteo's past brutality lawsuits, David did. But I did get this from a link which I looked up myself.

Two lawsuits have previously been filed against Pantaleo. The plaintiffs in both suits allege false arrest, unlawful imprisonment, civil rights violations and other charges.

One suit from 2013 was dismissed in January 2014, while the second, from February 2014, remains open. http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justic...ury-chokehold/
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