Donald Trump Calls for Obama Birth Certificate

[coadie]

Originally Posted by sandie

I saw a bumper sticker: PLEASE DON'T TELL OBAMA WHAT COMES AFTER A TRILLION"

You making fun of Obama? He has done more for spending than the prvious 4 presidents. He is a record setting leader in spending.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by coadie

You making fun of Obama? He has done more for spending than the previous 4 presidents. He is a record setting leader in spending.

The "Stimulus Package" alone spent $10,000 per man, woman and child in the US.

Imagine how much stimulus it would have been to just give that to the people. If you're going to just give away money...give it where it helps.

That would have gotten my family completely out of debt with plenty of spending money to spare. That would stimulate the economy.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by sandie

I saw a bumper sticker: PLEASE DON'T TELL OBAMA WHAT COMES AFTER A TRILLION"

I can buy so much life insurance at my job but I have to do extra things to buy more.

Let's find out how much money Obama has spent and tell him that he has to provide a Birth Certificate to spend more.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I'd have to know the specifics of the case.

Here are my opinions of the Sharia Law case in Florida:

comments by TheSSBlock at http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/03/fl...lamic-law.html

This isn't the imposition of Islamic Law per se. Arbitration agreements (contracts) between parties are regularly taken to Civil Courts for enforcement in cases of dispute. Parties who agree to arbitrate have willingly chosen a method of dispute resolution outside of the court system. Arbitrators do not have to follow state or federal laws in making their decisions - or any recognized law at all.

Although not truly unlimited, if two parties agree to arbitrate their disputes, for all intents and purposes, they can bind themselves to an outcome under almost any system of law, of any religion, or any procedure. Unless a party can show fraud, duress, or coercion, an arbitration agreement functions like any contract which a court must uphold so long as it is clear, unambiguous, and freely negotiated. Consequently, a party may also have a cause of action in questioning the neutrality of the arbitrator or if no meaningful procedure was followed to guarantee a just result.

Upholding Islamic law agreed upon through arbitration is not really a problem. A problem would arise however, if, absent any agreement, the court attempted to invoke Islamic law on its own initiative, which of course it is not permitted to do.

I am going to hazard a guess that there is a contract involved here. If there was no contract, there would be no basis for arbitration. Moreover, according to the order, arbitration has already been concluded. The order is enforcing the award.

If the owners wanted to dispute settled by Florida Law:

1) They would not have signed a contract to arbitrate pursuant to Islamic law.
2) They would not have went through the process of arbitration.

In a strict sense, this dispute is settled by secular Florida law - the law which recognizes that freely negotiated contracts between parties must be enforced.

Do I think Sharia law is appropriate? No.
Would I enter into an arbitration agreement implicating Sharia law as the method of resolving disputes? No.

Nonetheless, if the parties did, it really only seems to be a case of a party that had a case resolved against their interests and then attempted to shirk on their contractual obligations.

*These opinions did not originate with me but with TheSSBlock. I agree with them.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

The "Stimulus Package" alone spent $10,000 per man, woman and child in the US.

Imagine how much stimulus it would have been to just give that to the people. If you're going to just give away money...give it where it helps.

That would have gotten my family completely out of debt with plenty of spending money to spare. That would stimulate the economy.

Why oh why....just WHY couldn't they have just done what you've said????

Is there some kind of shot against common sense these policiticans take before going to DC?????

It really is enough to make a person

[sandie]

Originally Posted by coadie

You making fun of Obama? He has done more for spending than the prvious 4 presidents. He is a record setting leader in spending.

I won't tell you about the other bumper sticker I saw, it has something to do with his photo a word used in the bible for donkey and does this make my car look big???

Okay...off to repent for laughing....but, later as I soon as I stop.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by sandie

Why oh why....just WHY couldn't they have just done what you've said????

Is there some kind of shot against common sense these policiticans take before going to DC?????

It really is enough to make a person

That would be trickle up economics.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Here are my opinions of the Sharia Law case in Florida:

comments by TheSSBlock at http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/03/fl...lamic-law.html

*These opinions did not originate with me but with TheSSBlock. I agree with them.

Jewish law - Halacha - is also implemented is some cases in our US courts.

The underlying principle is that American law provides parties to contracts being able to provide alternative dispute resolutions, such as, arbitration.

If a contract references foreign law to be resolved, we do provide that the contractual disputes can reference foreign law, as long as, it is clearly expressed in the contract. Same for any secular or religious rules. They are treated fairly, as long as, there are not any extraordinary circumstances that make the contract unfair.

[Pressing-On]

I read this comment on a blog from a person who is Jewish. He has it right and that is really the bottom line on the issue.

"We Jews long ago settled this issue regarding halachah (Jewish law) versus civil law with the principle "the law of the land is the law" in regard to civil matters. Those of us who choose to strictly observe the Sabbath and Jewish holy days, keep the dietary laws, etc. accept the fact that there are some occupations we cannot participate in because of this choice. Sometimes arrangements can be worked out privately with employers to have the Sabbath off, but we do not demand that the laws be changed. Muslim immigrants are going to have to make similar accommodations."

[jfrog]

The judge's official opinion on the Sharia Law case can be found here: http://www.fljud13.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=Gou70XZCgII%3d&tabid=667 &mid=1031

An interesting snippet of that document:

From the outset of learning of the purported arbitration award, the court’s concern has been whether there were ecclesiastical principles for dispute resolution involved that would compel the court to adopt the arbitration decision without considering state law. Decisional case law both in Florida and the United States Supreme Court tells us that ecclesiastical law controls certain relations between members of a religious organization, whether a church, synagogue, temple or mosque.