How Important is Truth?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

HIS 'BROTHERS' WERE SCARED HIM EVEN AFTER HIS BAPTISM ...

Saul in Damascus and Jerusalem

Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. 20At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. 21All those who heard him were astonished and asked, "Isn't he the man who raised havoc in Jerusalem among those who call on this name? And hasn't he come here to take them as prisoners to the chief priests?" 22Yet Saul grew more and more powerful and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Christ.[a] 23After many days had gone by, the Jews conspired to kill him, 24but Saul learned of their plan. Day and night they kept close watch on the city gates in order to kill him. 25But his followers took him by night and lowered him in a basket through an opening in the wall.
26When he came to Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples, but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he really was a disciple. 27But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. He told them how Saul on his journey had seen the Lord and that the Lord had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had preached fearlessly in the name of Jesus. 28So Saul stayed with them and moved about freely in Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord. 29He talked and debated with the Grecian Jews, but they tried to kill him. 30When the brothers learned of this, they took him down to Caesarea and sent him off to Tarsus.

That's nice, but I did not ask you to prove they were afraid of him. I asked you to tie that notion INTO why Ananias would or would not refer to him as a Jewish brother. Otherwise all you are doing is making unfounded assertions

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I used it to set a biblical precedent repeated several times to show that Ananias COULD have been calling Paul "brother" because they were kinsmen. I've repeated that point several times now Daniel...

The word "brother", the greek word there, is used three ways. It's used to show close relative, national kinsmen or genetic kin and members of the body of Christ.

I need not prove the other two because it was only the idea that it can be national kinsmen that you originally tried to ridicule and clearly I have proven that the word can and does refer to kinsmen...jews besides referring to brothers in Christ and close blood relatives

WHO RIDICULED??? .. WHEN ... WHERE .. .... AND I'M DEFENSIVE????

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

hows that for corroborating EVIDENCE ...

That only corroborates they feared him...something I was not denying. I was asking HOW does that show Ananias would not still refer to another Jew he feared as "brother"

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's nice, but I did not ask you to prove they were afraid of him. I asked you to tie that notion INTO why Ananias would or would not refer to him as a Jewish brother. Otherwise all you are doing is making unfounded assertions

Of course it's nice and corroborates ... my wonderful exegesis ... while you stand on the shores of one meaning .... good for all time ... ROFL

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That only corroborates they feared him...something I was not denying. I was asking HOW does that show Ananias would not still refer to another Jew he feared as "brother"

IT'S POINTLESS .... you're immovable.

[SDG]

dude ... how many guys do you call buddy ... when they're known for killing people just like you ... in a heartbeat ?????

[SDG]

context Is Everything.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

WHO RIDICULED??? .. WHEN ... WHERE .. .... AND I'M DEFENSIVE????

I don't recall saying you were defensive....however you do realize posting in all capital letters takes the connotation of yelling on the internet...correct?

I might be wrong that your posting took on a mocking pejorative tone and if that was not your intention I apologize and hope you can go back to lower case letters :-)

But in this post someone else said it could be the brotherhood of men and your reply was not a logical reason for what that could not be the case but rather http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...7&postcount=75

Aren't you funny???

looking

Then when I pointed out it could be referring to another Jew your reply was again not a logical reason why it could not be but
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...3&postcount=81

Deny ... deny ... deny ...

Which sort of set the stage for the remainder of this discussion

Then you asserted it was the fact that Paul killed lot's of other Jews that he did not call him brother for the reasons I stated, yet I have shown that even God refers to enemies Israel and Judah as brothers. And then I asked you to prove that the fact that Paul had done this would cause Ananias to NOT refer to Paul, matter of factly (not out of affection) as "brother"...because being both Jews they were in fact brothers and that is a biblical precedent that the word brothers can and is used that way. Whether or not that is what Ananias was doing is irrelevant. It's a very real possibility as set forth as a biblical precedent elsewhere

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

dude ... how many guys do you call buddy ... when they're known for killing people just like you ... in a heartbeat ?????

Dan, there is a HUGE difference between calling someone a buddy because they are your friend and calling someone "brother" because they ARE your brother. Cain not stop being Abel's brother when he killed him.

There is a biblical precedent to refer matter of factly to others of the same nationality as "brothers"...I never once argued it was a term of endearment

[SDG]

Let's examine ... Ananias LENGTHY DISCOURSE OF THE GOSPEL ... AS HE PREACHED IT TO SAUL ....

17Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said,

"Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength.