UPROAR!! The LATEST on the A.A Split! you thought UPc's was Bad!!!

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by philjones

Asemblea Apostolica de la Fe in Cristo Jesus

English, please!

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I've said it before ... this fellowship in many ways is bi-polar ...

There are many w/ in it that are as Ultra as you can find ... while many are more liberal than most UPCI churches.

There are some who have not been requiring the veils for quite awhile.

Overall, it's a great fellowship ... that in many ways is cutting edge.

Its not that they don't require them..its that many more are refusing to wear them, there is rebellion all throughout THE CHURCH., walking in the midst of liberal 'worldly' atmosphere, there have always been "lefts" and "rights" in just about any church org., or BODY of CHRIST., sooo what else is new. :
The fact that many everywhere are doing things contrary to bible, does not mean its not as bad in one org as another, its ALL just LIFE I guess., still a lot of wrong in organized religions.
JMHO

[berkeley]

ohhh... right.. them. I have a friend whose father is a pastor in that org..


hmmm

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

English, please!

APOSTOLIC ASSEMBLY OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS

[Monkeyman]

****This is an email from my bro, Doctor Daniel Ramirez******

This is what I call the structural implosion of Oneness Pentecostalism, what with the UPCI troubles, ,the split of Chicago's Brazier and LA's Jones from the PAW, and now this in the Assembly.

There are allegations of vote fraud in some of the general board positions voted on in the 2006 general convention in Long Beach. Some of the incumbents and senior emeriti and junior pastors have formed an opposition that may be taking its case to the courts. We're talking big names. Of course, if they go to California courts, the Assembly has a 100% batting average there. If they go to Texas, the odds may be different. This does not break down simply, or the way that differences over standards and practices might, that is, not easy conservative-moderate-liberal divide here. More personality dynamics. Personally, I was blindsided. I predicted that the first cleavages (cochino, get your mind out of the gutter!) would be over standards, women's empowerment, ,etc., but I do think that if one peels away layers of ostensible differences and charges and counter-charges, at base it comes down to pride and power, male pride and power. In this, the Assembly's troubles are much like those of the UPCI and PAW.

The ironic thing is, that the governing board that came out of the general convention was, IMHO, perhaps the best equipped one to handle today's and tomorrow's challenges. I've been consulted by the education secretary to help him and his team think about ratcheting up the quality of theological education. They have now made serious inroads with Fuller Seminary and Claremont School of Theology. But all this and more may be jeopardized by the charge of voting irregularities. NOT, mind you, that the AA was ever a paradigm of democratic governance.....

I think the ball is really in the oppostion's court. If they press beyond this by now very clear protest over integrity, and take it to the next level, then they may pass a point of no return. Again, power, pride, and humilty are the key variables in the outcome. They just wrapped up general convention in Texas. I will be in touch with my sources soon.

Of course, I've been asked by many pastor friends for my opinion as a historian. I tell them that the historian doesn't take sides. He has the luxury of showing up on the day after the battle to count the bodies. Then we declare winners and losers. On the other hand, given my deep roots in the Assembly, it does not fail to pain me to see them go through this. Ditto the UPCI, and for that matter, the PAW.

Maybe Catholic cardenal Jacopo Salodeto was right when he warned the Protestant citizens of Geneva that once they split from the organic unity of the Christian Church, they would never stop splitting......

*edited* (basically look for his forthcoming book on Harvard Press and he might be teaching there soon...smartypants)

Love,

Tu carnal

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Thad

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Also got word that they were voting to abolish the Rule on the women wearing a Veil and also wedding rings !!!


those are 2 of the BIGGEST Traditional rules of AA !!!


more info to come !

Oh good...now the lamps can have their little doilies back

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I've said it before ... this fellowship in many ways is bi-polar ...

There are many w/ in it that are as Ultra as you can find ... while many are more liberal than most UPCI churches.

There are some who have not been requiring the veils for quite awhile.

Overall, it's a great fellowship ... that in many ways is cutting edge.

While I still see some of them wearing veils I see a lot not wearing them. But we have had women come to our church..I mean come OVER to our church that still wear them and others that just stop.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Oh good...now the lamps can have their little doilies back

I find this a bit offensive so I'm sure the thousands of OPs who practice coving their heads in prayer would too.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I find this a bit offensive so I'm sure the thousands of OPs who practice coving their heads in prayer would too.

Oh...Im sorry. But let's be honest...those doilies are not veils nor the intended head coverings. It is not much different then "not cut hair" OPs who burn their hair, or clip them with nail clippers to skirt (no pun intended) the law of not cutting the hair.

Sorry but they look like lamp doilies. They do not look like veils

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I find this a bit offensive so I'm sure the thousands of OPs who practice coving their heads in prayer would too.

Oh but thats normal for many mbrs of this forum, really crass statements like that not caring if anyone is offended or not.

I AM..(sorta) 'cause I wear them., my roots are in this org., AAFCJ!

NOT that that would matter to anyone.

The veils we/I wear look nothing like that btw..how many have actually seen ones like I wear? Never mind, but those who throw such barbs don't ever really care to get facts straight, they just want the laughs that they {no one in particular but there are more than one such personality here} will no doubt get for being the 'class clown'.

I will forgive this blurb, but I hope to not hear stuff like that anymore., I happen to wear my "velos" out of honor and glory to MY LORD.,it is a holy privilege to ME.

FTR when I was little and catholic the ones we wore THEN did look something like that., for the little girls., and some of the ones even today for little bitty girls are a bit similar, but certainly do not just go out and buy "doilies' to use, how ridiculous and mean to say that! :