If you have the ability to turn on C-SPAN . . . turn it on now!
The voting computers aren't working and the House is in an uproar! Republicans are about to storm out I think, because they want the House Rules followed, but the Democrats want to vacate the vote and have the machines fixed . . . which isn't according to the House Rules!
It's great fun to watch . . . whether via online webcast or television.
And of course, right after I finally post the thread, the Republican Minority Leader concedes and the House vacated the vote and is now in recess.
But it was fun there for a while . . .
Apparently there's also a dispute on the results of a vote from last night. Some Republican came to the floor this morning earlier and stated that he was "ashamed" of what happened in the House last night. There's a discrepancy between the vote the clerk had and the vote the computers had. Not sure which side of the isle lost . . . but the Republicans have been pretty angry and argumentative this morning.
According to some statements by Republicans in an interview during this recess:
Last night a vote was taken for medicaid, health and other services. The bill would have allowed illegal aliens to receive medicaid, free healthcare, housing help and other services.
The Republicans and a few Democrats voted against it. When the gavel fell and voting was closed, the Republicans and few Democrats had kept these services from illegal aliens by a 215-213 vote.
However, for some reason, the Democratic Majority Leader, Hoyer, REOPENED the vote in order for a few more votes, which resulted in the Republicans losing the vote.
The Republicans walked out in protest.
The point of contention is that the gavel fell and the voting was closed . . . and then reopened by the Democrats.
A reporter questioned the Republicans on the difference between what happened last night and what happened a few years ago when the Republicans held voting open for over 2 hours.
The difference noted was that the Republicans held the vote open and did not close the vote, nor did the gavel fall - only to reopen the vote. Once the voting was closed, the results stood.
Last night, the voting was closed, the gavel fell, the results were given and somehow the Democrats reopened the vote in order to make sure they won the vote.
I don't know how that's possible. I'm with the Republicans on this, though they seem more upset about the measure passing than about the vote being closed and then reopened.
Doesn't seem right to me. Once a vote's closed, it's closed. How can it be reopened?
For their side, Nancy Pelosi said the whole thing is a "misunderstanding" and the voting results were announced prematurely . . . and then didn't really have any more questions from reporters on it.
For their side, Nancy Pelosi said the whole thing is a "misunderstanding" and the voting results were announced prematurely . . . and then didn't really have any more questions from reporters on it.
The House is back in session . . .
you didnt really think the reporters were going to hold her feet to the fire did you?
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you didnt really think the reporters were going to hold her feet to the fire did you?
Nah . . . they were quick to let it go away. She and Harry Reid went into a list of great things the Democrats were doing and pretty much the Republicans are just upset that the Dems are doing so much good stuff.
I don't agree with her or Harry . . . plus they sure waited a while before trying to get something done. I heard something on C-SPAN earlier about a possible Saturday session for the House.
. . . Last night, the voting was closed, the gavel fell, the results were given and somehow the Democrats reopened the vote in order to make sure they won the vote.
I don't know how that's possible. I'm with the Republicans on this, though they seem more upset about the measure passing than about the vote being closed and then reopened.
Doesn't seem right to me. Once a vote's closed, it's closed. How can it be reopened?
Remember Florida and Saint Louis County, MO in 2000? The Dems wanted to extend voting hours so they could "catch up." In Saint Louis they came before a judge with the voting record of a Democratic voter who had not voted yet. "We need more time, for people like this..." they complained. It turned out that their voter had actually died several years before. Undeterred, they came back to the same judge with a live man in tow - only problem was that he had already voted once in another county.
Or Ohio, Milwaukee, WI, King County, WA and East Saint Louis, IL, in 2004.
In the case of King County, WA (Seattle area) a recount showed that the Democratic candidate for governor had won by fraud. She was still sworn in and is serving today.
What gets me is that ALL of WashingtonState’s electoral votes were also given to the Democratic presidential candidate, John F. Kerry. After throwing out the fraudulent ballots from Seattle we find the Republican was really the winner: what about the presidential votes cast on those same ballots? Didn't Bush really win WashingtonState?
In Milwaukee, the Democratic controlled city government demanded 100,000 extra blank ballots for the 2004 election (just in case, they said). They got the ballots and returned almost 90,000 as unused after the election. What was the difference in the state-wide vote?
John Kerry was awarded ALL of Wisconsin's electoral votes because after a "late recount" in Milwaukee he won the entire state by just 10,000 votes. The same 10,000 blank ballots that Milwaukee demanded and failed to return?
The Democratic Party wins elections through fraud and deceit. Most of you are probably too young to remember JFK flying down to Florida in 1960 to beg Richard Nixon not to sue in court over the election fraud in Texas in Illinois that gave JFK the edge.
It was that Democratic Party fraud and the ease that they get away with things that was the real cause of Watergate in 1972. A few a Nixon's men had grown so cynical that they basically began to act like Democrats with their dirty tricks and all. The only problem there, of course, is that you have to be a Democratic Party operative to get away with that stuff.
So Watergate in 1972 is remembered as a "scandal." Richard Daley's Illinois and LBJ's Texas of 1960 is just remembered as a "close election."
Did anyone see Martin Scorsese's The Gangs of New York? (FWIW, I saw the edited "family friendly" version). In that film the "heroes" are grabbing Irish immigrants, most of whom were probably not eligible to vote and sending them through the polls over and over again. The Cameron Diaz character makes a statement concerning a group that had just voted, "Get them shaves and bring them back to vote again...!"
It's this kind of paperless and confused setting that the Democratic Party thrives on. In that film, it was the Democratic Party machine and its infamous Tammany Hall that was featured.
Remember the scene in the Godfather 2 where mobster Hyman Roth is talking about the good old days with Michael Coreleone? Roth says he ran Molasses out of Cuba using Michael's father's trucks to make bootleg liquor during prohibition. In reality, the Jewish mobster used the Irish (not Italian) mobster's trucks to move the booze.
Who was that Irish mobster? Joseph Kennedy Sr. (father of JFK). And those trucks and trucking companies he set up? That was turned into the Teamsters Union of today.
Our popular culture is filled with examples of Democratic Party corruption; but most people look at the "mob hits" and the other crime and graft in a very romanticized way. But just let a Republican find some loop hole in the rules for fund raising and the media cries "scandal!"
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