Urshan and Sabin Face the Music or Defend the Truth??: Video

[Raven]

Thanks for posting this, Dan. I had never watched it in its entirety.

Raven

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Raven

Thanks for posting this, Dan. I had never watched it in its entirety.

Raven

Your thoughts and analysis.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Urshan looks pretty lost among these men .... and yes I know he attended Columbia.

I think you've answered your own question there, Dan. Columbia.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think you've answered your own question there, Dan. Columbia.

This whole episode is as tragic .... as your preaching *wink*

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This whole episode is as tragic .... as your preaching *wink*

I remember watching a video of the program on an approved monitor soon after the airing. It was interesting at the time, but why was the GS involved in that kind of stuff? He's supposed to be above the fray. Bro. Sabin would have done better just on his own, IMO- and I'm not dissing NA- it's just that you need to pick your battles.

RS should have been teamed with some young Turk with a friendly smile.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I remember watching a video of the program on an approved monitor soon after the airing. It was interesting at the time, but why was the GS involved in that kind of stuff? He's supposed to be above the fray. Bro. Sabin would have done better just on his own, IMO- and I'm not dissing NA- it's just that you need to pick your battles.

RS should have been teamed with some young Turk with a friendly smile.

Any thoughts or analysis on it after so many years?

[pelathais]

The thing that stood out to me the most was Cal Beisner's "law of grammar" where he said any pronoun-preposition-pronoun combination indicated that you must have two or more persons either speaking or being spoken of. He made his point and nobody touched it. Subsequently I remember some Trinitarians downplayed it.

But I thought that Beisner (even though he was obviously wrong) was getting at the heart of several underlying assumptions that most "orthodox" Trinitarians have. I thought that should have been responded to, but Rbt, Sabin seemed to just give him this "WHAT?" kind of look and the show moved on.

Ankerberg's okay as the silver plumed scholar/host but he often comes across as condescending. Walter Martin of course does his Brooklyn best to dominate the discussion.

I feel bad for NA's infamous "Am I your brother?" lapse. That really gets to the heart of our differences within the Apostolic movement. Ambiguous silence and a blank stare doesn't really give the rest of us much guidance to follow. It just reveals the turmoil that goes on in "our house."

[SDG]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The thing that stood out to me the most was Cal Beisner's "law of grammar" where he said any pronoun-preposition-pronoun combination indicated that you must have two or more persons either speaking or being spoken of. He made his point and nobody touched it. Subsequently I remember some Trinitarians downplayed it.

But I thought that Beisner (even though he was obviously wrong) was getting at the heart of several underlying assumptions that most "orthodox" Trinitarians have. I thought that should have been responded to, but Rbt, Sabin seemed to just give him this "WHAT?" kind of look and the show moved on.

Ankerberg's okay as the silver plumed scholar/host but he often comes across as condescending. Walter Martin of course does his Brooklyn best to dominate the discussion.

I feel bad for NA's infamous "Am I your brother?" lapse. That really gets to the heart of our differences within the Apostolic movement. Ambiguous silence and a blank stare doesn't really give the rest of us much guidance to follow. It just reveals the turmoil that goes on in "our house."

I must admit the whole "Am I you brother" spiel was at the least .... precarious ... at most EMBARRASSING -- squared.

[Neck]

I remember watching the video and thought who needed who there? Urshan or Sabin?

[Rhoni]

I have seen the video and heard the debate at the time it was given. I must say that Bro Sabin did an excellent job of defending the truth as we/Oneness Apostolics say we believe it, but Bro. Urshan was lost amoung the more intellectual.

Bro. Urshan was more of an Apostolic politician than scholarly Biblical intellectual. Now his son Nathaniel Paul..I would consider him an intellectual Biblical scholar. He is a bit long-winded but appeals to the more intellectual types.

Mind you, I had good teaching growing up and even the youngest of us could defend the onesness of the Godhead quite well. For this reason I was a bit disappointed in the debate.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. This is only my opinion.