What? How many Jesus's are there? Do you mean the Son but not the Father?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
But there are not other scriptures that say the angels had any part in creation..
Do you understand that nobody is saying angels created? They were there and have a similiar nature to God as evidenced by the other verse I posted. Why did God ask "who will go for us"? Not because angels are in charge and need a messenger for them...because they are present. Do you understand they took part in creation as by-standers and not as creators?
There is no other scripture...there is no other scripture at all that tells us what "us" was, but looking at the total verses I posted I have said before and again the best solution is that us was angels. Nobody else was with God
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an angel stood guard at the entrance of the garden of Eden, so I can see the angels taking a part in expelling man from the garden.
An angel did not expel man, but they were present. Do you see the point here? God was addressing the angels who were present FOR creation and because they have a likeness like God
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And in confounding the languages, God said 'let us go down'. Maybe the angels helped with the scattering?
Maybe they did or maybe God was just informing them of His plans or maybe when God does things other than create something new, He uses his angels. Did you read the article yet on the differences in hebrew words for make and create?
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Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city Gen 11:7-8
This is one of a few verses that show God is speaking to someone else and that someone else was not man. There is no other God so my other solution are angels
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Could it be the someone other than himself is someone else who can create, scatter, expel? Nope, God made the worlds by himself, all alone.
You must not have paid close attention to the conversation previously or read the article. BTW the bible does not say God made man by Himself and when he created the worlds by Himself that means there is only one God. Angels don't have any power other than what God gives them. Someone OTHER than God was with God. Angels were with God, He addressed them because they were present for man's creation. He included them as participants by being spectators to this event
Isa 44:24 ...I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
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Honestly, it's all conjecture whether it's angels or plural of majesty or foreknowledge. But fascintating conjecture.
Angels is the best solution. That article by Jason gives some good reasons why imo
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The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
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I don't think the angels had anything to do with it. Why would God elevate the angels to His level? I think this refers to the plurality in attributes that form the being we know as God.
Also, the Hebrew word yada used here means aquiring knowledge. The phrase "as one of us to know" is two words in the Hebrew. "echad yada". Which loosely translates to unity or a cardinal one to know or attain.
Based on this is how I come to my conclusion of a plurality of attributes. God is one, but He is composed of many, many attributes like the weaving together of hundreds of strands to form one unbreakable rope.
....please please people, read through the discussion and the article. NOBODY said angels were equal to God, elevated to His level or that they created.
BTW it's three hebrew words One (echad) of (min) know (yada)...having said that, unless you can read hebrew it would be hard to know for sure if there is a reason to translate this as "us" since our handy dandy strongs simply does not assign a number for every word in a verse. What ending do the words have?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
For several years I had Bro. Frank Curts (Dis. Supt. Ohio) as my pastor. He was gone to Florida for several months a year and Bro. and Sis. Paslay did the preaching/teaching. While he was here, Bro. Curts taught the Thursday night Bible Study and the Young People (16-35) Sunday School class. I attended that church from 1957 until 1963 or 1964.
Bro. Curts taught that the "days" of creation in Genesis were each 7000 years long. He believed that we are living in the sixth day. He taught that there were 4000 years from Adam to Christ, 2000 of Church age and tribulation, and 1000 years of peace. When my wife and I would discuss this I'd just say, "Well, if Jesus doesn't come before the year 2000 (or 1993 to allow 7 years of tribulation) we will live long enough to see if that is right." Bro. Curts died in 1969 (I think that was the year) so he didn't have to retract anything.
Bro Curts taught that the "us" in Gen 1:26 is the same "us" spoken of in Ephesians 1:4 where it says that God has chosen "us" in Him before the foundation of the world. He taught that since we are still in the 6th day (Man's Day) God and His church are working together to bring men (people) into God's image. He taught that the image (1 Cor 15:49) and likeness (Psalm 17:15) will be completed at our resurrection and until then "we are laborers together with God" (1 Cor 3:9) during this 6th day of creation making people into the image of God.
I think that teaching was based on G.T. Haywood's teaching. G.T. Haywood was Bro. Curts' pastor years ago.
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You must not have paid close attention to the conversation previously or read the article. BTW the bible does not say God made man by Himself and when he created the worlds by Himself that means there is only one God. Angels don't have any power other than what God gives them. Someone OTHER than God was with God. Angels were with God, He addressed them because they were present for man's creation. He included them as participants by being spectators to this event
Isa 44:24 ...I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
QUOTE]I skimmed through the other thread on Gen 1:26. I've read Jason's article before, awhile ago. There are verses that teach God is by himself, He knows no other God, there is no God beside Him, etc. Why do you say the Bible does not say when he created the worlds by Himself that means there is only one God?
His word and his wisdom were all WITH God.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
For several years I had Bro. Frank Curts (Dis. Supt. Ohio) as my pastor. He was gone to Florida for several months a year and Bro. and Sis. Paslay did the preaching/teaching. While he was here, Bro. Curts taught the Thursday night Bible Study and the Young People (16-35) Sunday School class. I attended that church from 1957 until 1963 or 1964.
Bro. Curts taught that the "days" of creation in Genesis were each 7000 years long. He believed that we are living in the sixth day. He taught that there were 4000 years from Adam to Christ, 2000 of Church age and tribulation, and 1000 years of peace. When my wife and I would discuss this I'd just say, "Well, if Jesus doesn't come before the year 2000 (or 1993 to allow 7 years of tribulation) we will live long enough to see if that is right." Bro. Curts died in 1969 (I think that was the year) so he didn't have to retract anything.
Bro Curts taught that the "us" in Gen 1:26 is the same "us" spoken of in Ephesians 1:4 where it says that God has chosen "us" in Him before the foundation of the world. He taught that since we are still in the 6th day (Man's Day) God and His church are working together to bring men (people) into God's image. He taught that the image (1 Cor 15:49) and likeness (Psalm 17:15) will be completed at our resurrection and until then "we are laborers together with God" (1 Cor 3:9) during this 6th day of creation making people into the image of God.
I think that teaching was based on G.T. Haywood's teaching. G.T. Haywood was Bro. Curts' pastor years ago.
Sam, where did you get the year 1993? Wouldn't the church age start from the day of Pentecost or the death of Christ? And wouldn't that put it around 2033, depending on the birth of Christ?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Since the KJV Bible was wrote in 1611 English., when Royalty made a public speech or public proclaimation they used we even though ,it was one person speaking.Just a thought.
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