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Old 09-13-2018, 02:07 PM
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Just think of the outrage if this had been run during the BHO admin.
The libs would be screaming for the name.
In order for your logic, all things would have to be equal.

The chaos in the Trump White House is... unprecedented. So many firings, so many resignations, accusations and backbiting, and apparently, a lot of bad ideas.

You just cannot compare the BHO White House, the GWB White House, or any White House to Trump's chaos.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:09 PM
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And the reason for the chaos...

Trump isn't playing their game.

He's an outsider. He's not one of them.

They didn't expect him to win. They were hoping for Hillary Clinton.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:12 PM
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And the reason for the chaos...

Trump isn't playing their game.

He's an outsider. He's not one of them.

They didn't expect him to win. They were hoping for Hillary Clinton.
It's his own people. It's his own White House. You have swallowed the Trump "woe is me story" hook, line, and sinker. The man is not an idiot. I think he relishes in the chaos in his Administration, among the circle of people that he himself has selected. He relishes the chaos. It serves his own purpose to make himself look like the victim and that everyone else is out to get him. Just remember the CHAOS with Trump is from within-- not without.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:15 PM
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Re: Force NYTimes To Turn Over Op-Ed Writer To Tru

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In order for your logic, all things would have to be equal.

The chaos in the Trump White House is... unprecedented. So many firings, so many resignations, accusations and backbiting, and apparently, a lot of bad ideas.

You just cannot compare the BHO White House, the GWB White House, or any White House to Trump's chaos.
So very true.

Trump's Administration is a dumpster fire.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:17 PM
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And the reason for the chaos...

Trump isn't playing their game.

He's an outsider. He's not one of them.

They didn't expect him to win. They were hoping for Hillary Clinton.
Trump is playing little "dictator". He's not used to representing anyone but himself and his own interests. And, being a wealthy business man, there's nothing wrong with that in that context. Politics is an animal I don't think he was remotely ready for.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:21 PM
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So very true.

Trump's Administration is a dumpster fire.
Pence is the best thing going for him and probably the most loyal man he has.

If it was up to me, I'd replace EVERYONE that is there now!

Every.

Single.

One of them.

What Trump needs more than ever is LOYALTY but from people with real life KNOWLEDGE about all things related to the Executive Branch and how America's action and inaction affects our allies, enemies and this world.

One more thing, THE LOYAL PEOPLE OUR PRESIDENT NEEDS MUST HAVE THE MORAL COURAGE TO CONFRONT HIM IF HE IS REALLY COMING UP WITH BAD IDEAS THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR COUNTRY AND OUR WORLD.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:26 PM
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It's his own people. It's his own White House. You have swallowed the Trump "woe is me story" hook, line, and sinker. The man is not an idiot. I think he relishes in the chaos in his Administration, among the circle of people that he himself has selected. He relishes the chaos. It serves his own purpose to make himself look like the victim and that everyone else is out to get him. Just remember the CHAOS with Trump is from within-- not without.
You're partly right. Trump thrives on chaos.

What you're wrong about is that the White House is "his people." You either have forgotten or perhaps don't know that, out of over 1,000 people who work in the WH, the POTUS only actually hires a few dozen of "his people."

The rest are career establishment workers who have worked for other administrations before Trump became POTUS.

So no, these aren't "his people" who are working against him. These are the career establishment workers who have been there prior to Trump and (unless Trump finds them and fires them) will remain there with the next administration.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:28 PM
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Here's numbers from a book published in 1988:
  • The White House Office (Including the Office of Policy Development) - 568
  • The National Security Council staff - 190
  • The Office of the Vice President - 98
  • The 45 percent of the Office of Administration that directly supports the White House - 91
  • The Executive Residence (Including National Park Service staff regularly on the grounds) - 129
  • The Military Office - 1,300
  • US. Secret Service: Uniformed Division (White House Police) - 500
  • Presidential Protective Detail - 100
  • Vice Presidential Protective Detail - 100
  • White House Technical Security - 100
  • Engineering and Maintenance (From the General Services Administration, the Telephone Company) - 190

That's 3,366 people working in the White House.

This administration did NOT hire them all. The majority were here before Trump was elected.

Ring of Power: The White House Staff and Its Expanding Role in Government by Bradley H. (Hawkes) Patterson, Jr. Basic Books, Inc, Publishers. (New York) Copyright 1988.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:28 PM
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Re: Force NYTimes To Turn Over Op-Ed Writer To Tru

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In order for your logic, all things would have to be equal.

The chaos in the Trump White House is... unprecedented. So many firings, so many resignations, accusations and backbiting, and apparently, a lot of bad ideas.

You just cannot compare the BHO White House, the GWB White House, or any White House to Trump's chaos.
There would have been chaos in the BHO admin, if the press had been doing their job and reporting on the scandals.
Now, here is the scary part.
I just read this list, last week.
Yet I go to Google and try to find it and it does not pop up.
I probably could find it, with some more time.
However, this very thing proves my point.
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Old 09-13-2018, 02:31 PM
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You're partly right. Trump thrives on chaos.

What you're wrong about is that the White House is "his people." You either have forgotten or perhaps don't know that, out of over 1,000 people who work in the WH, the POTUS only actually hires a few dozen of "his people."

The rest are career establishment workers who have worked for other administrations before Trump became POTUS.

So no, these aren't "his people" who are working against him. These are the career establishment workers who have been there prior to Trump and (unless Trump finds them and fires them) will remain there with the next administration.
No. What you are forgetting about are all the people from the WHITE HOUSE, from his Administration who has resigned or even been fired.

Most, no ALL of the chaos and all of the investigations are related directly to him and to people he ever selected or personally interacted with.

You have to be sober when analyzing the current state of affairs.
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