Sarah Huckabee Removed From Restaurant: - Page 2

Aquila · #11 06-25-2018, 12:24 PM

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SCOTUS did not rule that it was okay to deny services. Read the ruling. They did not take up the question nor did they rule on whether businesses owned by Christians have the right to exercise their freedom of religious expression.

What the SCOTUS ruled is that the CO clown show they call the civil rights commission was overtly and completely biased against the owner's religion and therefore the ruling the commission made was also biased and tainted. SCOTUS simply ruled against the commission.

Also, if you own a restaurant in DC, Seattle and one or two other cities, there are specific laws against discrimination based on political affiliation. So if any restaurant in DC believes it's cool to jump on the wacko wagon and kick Trump supporters and officials out, they'll be facing whatever fines or penalties have been established.

I think that if the SCOTUS did rule in favor of religious business owners and their right to discriminate based on moral conviction, that would be so for anyone, not just the religious.

n david · #12 06-25-2018, 12:36 PM

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I think that if the SCOTUS did rule in favor of religious business owners and their right to discriminate based on moral conviction, that would be so for anyone, not just the religious.

It would have to be a very narrow ruling, else it would be chaos. I would be interested in how SCOTUS could uphold freedom of religious expression while maintaining public accommodation laws. I believe there could be a way, but it would have to be very narrow.

jediwill83 · #13 06-25-2018, 12:41 PM

We have to realize that the "left" is working with Alinsky tactics...one of which is that it's not about principles other than victory for them and they have no problem with using our own principles against us while themselves having none.

Trump didn't create the policy they were butthurt about.

Trump isn't trying to jail and disappear the geyz.

This is just simply rabid uninformed useful idiots.

Double edged sword swings both ways folks...this can start getting nasty when people get tired of the shenanigans.

Amanah · #14 06-25-2018, 01:24 PM

Help me understand. the laws on the books were enacted by Obama and we were enforcing them as they stood in order to force the dems to enact changes to the law?

The real issue is that the borders are being over run and we don't have the resources to deal with it?

People are upset because they feel children are being mistreated and therefore are protesting. This is being fueled by liberals to make the GOP look bad.

But, the protestors could be misinformed but sincere?

Apostolic1ness · #15 06-25-2018, 01:49 PM

Isn't abortion separating children from parents?

n david · #16 06-25-2018, 01:56 PM

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Help me understand. the laws on the books were enacted by Obama and we were enforcing them as they stood in order to force the dems to enact changes to the law?

The claim by the administration is that there has been law in the books since during the Clinton administration and specifically the Flores decision in 1997. Various Dems and liberal groups have pushed back against that, claiming that it 1) wasn't a law and 2) didn't require children be separated.

Dems are claiming that the Trump administration made separation policy with its Zero Tolerance campaign a few months ago.

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The real issue is that the borders are being over run and we don't have the resources to deal with it?

Our borders are being invaded. Until we finally deal with that, nothing is going to work.

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People are upset because they feel children are being mistreated and therefore are protesting. This is being fueled by liberals to make the GOP look bad.

This is being fueled by people suffering from TDS. Hollyweird morons and the media have blown this ridiculously out of proportion. They're sharing photos of kids in cages which were taken while obama, not Trump, was the POTUS.

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But, the protestors could be misinformed but sincere?

The only thing of which these people are sincere is their hatred of Trump.

The Dems, media, hollyweird and most leftists had no problem with this happening while obama was in office. It's only now they're looking for anything and everything for which they can blame Trump and keep the nation divided.

n david · #17 06-25-2018, 01:56 PM

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Isn't abortion separating children from parents?

Shhhhhh

Aquila · #18 06-25-2018, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

Help me understand. the laws on the books were enacted by Obama and we were enforcing them as they stood in order to force the dems to enact changes to the law?

The real issue is that the borders are being over run and we don't have the resources to deal with it?

People are upset because they feel children are being mistreated and therefore are protesting. This is being fueled by liberals to make the GOP look bad.

But, the protestors could be misinformed but sincere?

Everything you said is true.

But there are court documents showing that migrant children are being drugged in detention centers...without parental permission. Some have filed complaints of abuse too. There are a number of issues here. It's more than just protestors, misinformed or not.

Amanah · #19 06-25-2018, 02:03 PM

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Isn't abortion separating children from parents?

I know the talking points, two wrongs don't make a right.

We need a secure border, I'm just hoping that we are not using children to get the point across.

Aquila · #20 06-25-2018, 02:11 PM

Honest question here.

Why is amnesty not a consideration on the right? We have an estimated 12 million illegals here. This round up seems brutal in comparison to their only crime being crossing the boarder illegally. Most aren't hardened and violent criminals. Many are doing work most Americans don't want to do. Many are paid virtually nothing because they are illegal and can be exploited. And, as we know, many have families here.

I'm on the fence with regards to Trump's boarder wall idea (pun intended lol). But, without some physical barrier, there is no way to truly "secure" the boarder. So, I'm starting to lean towards the notion of a security fence system along the Southern boarder. My fellow liberals and moderates can whine about Trump's initiative on this matter, but even leading Democrats supported a boarder fence system long before Trump ever filed paperwork to run for President. Once such a system is in place, why not grant amnesty to those who have been here prior to the boarder fence? The police action of rounding up 12 million people and detaining them for just wanting a better life seems a bit draconian. Especially when it is our immigration system that is a joke and we have not had a boarder wall. Can you blame them? I think I'd dream of crossing the boarder if I were in their shoes. The quality of life in so many of these countries is terrible.

If we can make sure that we stop the flow of people coming in behind those already here, we can then turn to better address those who are currently within the United States.

So, what are some of the arguments for and against amnesty?