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Old 06-19-2007, 12:06 PM
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8: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9: And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. Zech. 13:8-9

For those who think Israel has no end time part to play.
Brother, Israel's ONLY future is to get Acts 2:38 saved in the Church. The bible teaches no other plan of salvation for them, outside the church.
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Who are the two parts representing?
Its plainly talking about one third coming to Yeshua. The other two patrs will be cut off and die. It doesnt always have to "represent" something.
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Old 06-19-2007, 12:10 PM
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The 1000 year reign has a beginning and an end.

4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison Rev. 20:4-7

It begins in verse 4 and expires in verse 7. Clear enough.
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Old 06-19-2007, 12:17 PM
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Brother, Israel's ONLY future is to get Acts 2:38 saved in the Church. The bible teaches no other plan of salvation for them, outside the church.
Look again:

8: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9: And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. Zech. 13:8-9

My view does not have to separate this event from Acts 2:38.

Although it is clear some earthly people will be left alive to repopulate the Earth.

9: I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10: A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11: I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12: As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. Dan. 7:9-12

After the 1000 years is through the Earth will be populated with people who are all righteous.
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Old 06-19-2007, 12:22 PM
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I really really believe there will be a future 1000 reign...
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Old 06-19-2007, 12:31 PM
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Sorry, no matter how long I look, I see no plan of salvation for Israel outside the church and Acts 2:38.

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8: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9: And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. Zech. 13:8-9

My view does not have to separate this event from Acts 2:38.
So long as you keep it Acts 2:38 and IN THE CHURCH. But you believe the church is removed at this time. Please clarify, does your view reconcile the FACT that the CHURCH is what Israel will be saved in with your millennialism?

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Although it is clear some earthly people will be left alive to repopulate the Earth.

9: I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10: A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11: I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12: As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. Dan. 7:9-12
I believe this refers to Christ seated on the throne since His resurrection. Anyway, y'all know what I believe about that.

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After the 1000 years is through the Earth will be populated with people who are all righteous.
I just need you to reconcile the idea that inclusing into the church is Israel's only salvation with your millennium. You have an interesting thought, if you can reconcile that.
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I really really believe there will be a future 1000 reign...
I appreciate your honesty. I cannot see it in scritture when we read the whole context of the bible and salvation together at once, personally.

Revelation 20 was a VISION. There is no teaching on the millennium outside a vision. And visions in Revelation only reflect what the bible DID TEACH.
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:07 PM
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The rapture will come before the tribulation. (all 7 years). Then there will be 3 and 1/2 years of the rise of the Anti-Christ, then 3 1/2 years of dominance and distruction.

then the battle of Armageddon and Christs return.

Satan will be bound for a thousand years and Christ will rule and we with him.

satan will be loosed for a season, and then the end as we know it.

That is the end of the bible and the beginning of the fun.


that is how I see it.
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:08 PM
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I do not beleive that i am 100% right, nor do I believe one has to be right on this subject.
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The rapture will come before the tribulation. (all 7 years). Then there will be 3 and 1/2 years of the rise of the Anti-Christ, then 3 1/2 years of dominance and distruction.

then the battle of Armageddon and Christs return.

Satan will be bound for a thousand years and Christ will rule and we with him.

satan will be loosed for a season, and then the end as we know it.

That is the end of the bible and the beginning of the fun.


that is how I see it.
Ferd,
I have been taught this and have taught Exploring God's Word. When I read this list you have and study the scriptures it just gets all jumbled up.
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