The Palestinian State?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by bishoph

The existence of "Palestinians" as they are now is a myth. There is no such animal. Every one of them are expats from various Arab nations that have decided to occupy by way of "squatters rights" on land that rightfully belongs to the Israelis. If they really wanted to establish a autonomous state let Egypt, Jordan, and Syria donate land (which they are not even using) to establish a new nation.

But of course that will NEVER happen........because the goal is NOT statehood.......but rather the total destruction/elimination of Israel.

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[Dedicated Mind]

i don't know why you right wingers don't understand that the whole israeli/palestinian issue is related to bible prophecy and that the israeli stance against the palestinians is what is turning the nations against israel and will eventually lead to armageddon. taking a partisan stance is idiotic since god's will is being fulfilled.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i don't know why you right wingers don't understand that the whole israeli/palestinian issue is related to bible prophecy and that the israeli stance against the palestinians is what is turning the nations against israel and will eventually lead to armageddon. taking a partisan stance is idiotic since god's will is being fulfilled.

OR.....

They will rebuild the temple and begin again animal sacrifices and there will be a massive naked Peta campaign against them. The entire world will strip down nekkid in protest. When all the Israeli's do is laugh hysterically all dem nudies will march against them with their guns pointed at them

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

OR.....

They will rebuild the temple and begin again animal sacrifices and there will be a massive naked Peta campaign against them. The entire world will strip down nekkid in protest. When all the Israeli's do is laugh hysterically all dem nudies will march against them with their guns pointed at them

you obviously haven't read revelation where it says that jerusalem will be divided and controlled by gentiles,

Revelation 11:1-2

King James Version (KJV)

11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

you obviously haven't read revelation where it says that jerusalem will be divided and controlled by gentiles,

Revelation 11:1-2

King James Version (KJV)

11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

You obviously have no sense of humor

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by bishoph

The existence of "Palestinians" as they are now is a myth. There is no such animal. Every one of them are expats from various Arab nations that have decided to occupy by way of "squatters rights" on land that rightfully belongs to the Israelis. If they really wanted to establish a autonomous state let Egypt, Jordan, and Syria donate land (which they are not even using) to establish a new nation.

But of course that will NEVER happen........because the goal is NOT statehood.......but rather the total destruction/elimination of Israel.

Hmmm... so before 1948 the region of Palestine was totally vacant and devoid of human life, eh?

[Esaias]

http://www.ralphmag.org/BI/king-crane-1.html

Very few people today know that President Woodrow Wilson sent a commission to Palestine to study the feasibility of a proposal which had first been made by Great Britain in 1917. The proposal in question was known as the Balfour Declaration. It stated specifically that "His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people..."
We now know that if some of the suggestions made by Wilson's Commission had been observed, the sequence of events in the Middle East would have been drastically different than what we have today....

http://www.ralphmag.org/BI/king-crane-2.html

In its report, the Commission made an estimate of the population of Palestine, emphasizing however, "The figures in all cases must be regarded as only approximate, but may be taken as giving a fairly accurate view of the proportions of the population."

Estimated Population
of Palestine,
1919
Muslims 515,000
Christians 62,500
Jews 65,000
Others 5,000
Total 647,500

...

In analyzing the written and oral testimony it received, the Commission found that 72.3% opposed the Zionist project. The anti-Zionist note was especially strong in Palestine where 222 (85.3%) of the 260 petitions declared against the Zionist program. This is the largest percentage in the district for any one point. The Commission noted testimony to the effect,

The Arabs are friendly toward the Jews long resident in the land who use the Arabic language; they will resist to the uttermost the immigration of foreign Jews and the establishment of a Jewish government.

This is reflected in its finding, that 54.9% of all petitions called for the "proper safeguarding of the rights of minorities...This request received more united support from both Moslems and Christians than any other, except anti-Zionism." After its analysis of all the testimony, the Commission concluded,

The Jews, who constitute a little more than ten percent of the population were all for Zionism, under a British mandate. The Moslem and Christian population was practically unanimous against Zionism, usually expressing themselves with great emphasis.

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After quoting Woodrow Wilson's statement of the American principle of government with the consent of the governed, the Commission concluded,,

If that principle is to rule, and so the wishes of Palestine's population are to be decisive as to what is to be done with Palestine, then it is to be remembered that the non- Jewish population nearly nine tenths of the whole are emphatically against the entire Zionist program. The tables show that there was no one thing upon which the population of Palestine were more agreed that upon this. To subject a people so minded to unlimited Jewish immigration and steady financial and social pressure to surrender the land would be a gross violation of the principle just quoted, and of the people's rights, though it kept with in the forms of law.

At one point, the Commission stated,

No British officer, consulted by the Commissioners, believed that the Zionist Program could be carried out except by force of arms. The officers generally thought that a force of no less that 50,000 soldiers would be required even to initiate the program.

[Esaias]

Speaking of 'total annihilation', here's something...

The Ein al Zeitun massacre occurred on May 1, 1948 at the Arab village of Ein al-Zeitun just north of Safed, then part of the British Mandate for Palestine. Between 30 and 70 Arab prisoners were killed by the Palmach.
Ein al Zeitun at this time was an Arab village of about 800 inhabitants. It was believed by local Jews that Arabs from the village had taken part in a 1929 massacre of Jews in Safed and the massacre is assumed to be as a point of revenge.

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Confirmation of the massacre is known from other IDF sources (see Morris) and from Arab accounts (see Nazzal).
The Syrians subsequently charged that "women had been raped".[7]
The destruction of Ein al Zeitun and the consequent massacre terrified the Arabs of Safed and probably contributed to their flight in the coming days.[8]
Hans Lebrecht described:
"at the end of May 1948, I was ordered by the military unit in which I served to build a temporary pump station, and to divert the "deserted" village stream, Ayn Zaytun, to supply water to the battalion. The village had been totally destroyed, and among the debris there were many bodies. In particular, we found many bodies of women, children and babies near the local mosque. I convinced the army to burn the bodies."[9]

from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_al-Zeitun_massacre

The fact is, as I stated on another similar thread here not too long ago, there are no 'good guys'.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You obviously have no sense of humor

i don't think discriminating against palestinians, like others in this thread, is a joking matter.

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0haybEo-Tx4