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Old 08-28-2012, 02:14 PM
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Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."

We all need role models in our lives, But we can go to far into pastoral worship. I've seen it. When the Pastor falls it leaves many saints confused and hard to live for God because of so much trust in The man.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:16 PM
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Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."

I Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.

The problem with ideas being preached as above, is there is error being mixed with Truth. That's why people swallow such abuse of ministry... it's not all error... it's error and truth. It's clearly stated by Paul's writing to the church of Corinth that absolutely we should find those that are leaders in the Lord as they follow Christ, but that concept itself means you must think for yourself as well, otherwise one wouldn't know when the leader ceases to follow Christ.

There is clearly a ministry for Pastors in our lives, to equip us... but not one of lordship over us. Ministers, as all of us in the faith, have been called to be servants along side the laity... not driving the laity.

My pastor absolutely has a role in my life, and I revere and respect him... but to the point of being a dictator... or a controller, is never what God called us as ministers to be.

God says the five fold ministry is there for the perfecting of the saints. That means to equip... I'm not equipping you if I never encourage you to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus and actually try to walk in your relationship with God and make decisions as a result of your growth... on your own. That's not pastoring, that's creating dependency.

I'm saddened, truly saddened when men think pastoring is a power trip... the burden a pastor has should humble them... should make them to walk softly before the Lord as their responsibility is great. It's to raise babes in Christ to maturity in him.. not create mindless, robotic, 30 year old babies who can't even choose what to wear without consulting their preacher.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:16 PM
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Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."

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It's obvious you're a bitter hater.

Ya, I am foaming with rage like a rabid animal as I sit here at work -but not because of this video, but because of this stupid Mac I am trying to fix.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:17 PM
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There's nothing wrong with that.
Not if you like the name to begin with, but it does seem a bit creepy if you name your kid to "honor" the pastor. Why stop at the pastor? Why not go all the way to the top and name a son Jesus?

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Old 08-28-2012, 02:18 PM
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Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."

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I Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.

The problem with ideas being preached as above, is there is error being mixed with Truth. That's why people swallow such abuse of ministry... it's not all error... it's error and truth. It's clearly stated by Paul's writing to the church of Corinth that absolutely we should find those that are leaders in the Lord as they follow Christ, but that concept itself means you must think for yourself as well, otherwise one wouldn't know when the leader ceases to follow Christ.

There is clearly a ministry for Pastors in our lives, to equip us... but not one of lordship over us. Ministers, as all of us in the faith, have been called to be servants along side the laity... not driving the laity.

My pastor absolutely has a role in my life, and I revere and respect him... but to the point of being a dictator... or a controller, is never what God called us as ministers to be.

God says the five fold ministry is there for the perfecting of the saints. That means to equip... I'm not equipping you if I never encourage you to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus and actually try to walk in your relationship with God and make decisions as a result of your growth... on your own. That's not pastoring, that's creating dependency.

I'm saddened, truly saddened when men think pastoring is a power trip... the burden a pastor has should humble them... should make them to walk softly before the Lord as their responsibility is great. It's to raise babes in Christ to maturity in him.. not create mindless, robotic, 30 year old babies who can't even choose what to wear without consulting their preacher.
Amen..
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:20 PM
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Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."

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Well ideally sure we should follow good ministry. Now the guy talking in the video I would not want to be like. So glad I have always seen Jesus as my Pastor. I will judge "pastors" as to their likeness to Jesus. Believe me a good Pastor (one like Jesus) is more rare than fine gold.
I've known a few.

I really wish I would have appreciated them more when I had the chance.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:23 PM
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Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."

Let's reverse it. ARE you saved if you don't have a pastor? What I mean, someone that refuses to be a part of a local congregation, contrary to the scriptural definition of what "church" is, are they really one with Christ?

1Co 5:4 When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus,

Heb 10:25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

Or allowing God to give you pastors?

Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
Eph 4:14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.

1Pe 5:1 So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed:
1Pe 5:2 shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you; not for shameful gain, but eagerly;
1Pe 5:3 not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock.

It's not that you can't become saved except through a pastor. It SHOULD be that if you ARE Christ's you'd want to be a part of the body, not separate. You'd WANT what God gave you, not rejecting it
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:27 PM
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Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."

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Let's reverse it. ARE you saved if you don't have a pastor? What I mean, someone that refuses to be a part of a local congregation, contrary to the scriptural definition of what "church" is, are they really one with Christ?
So just any old doctrine will do as long as people are gathering?
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:30 PM
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Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."

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So just any old doctrine will do as long as people are gathering?
Please quote me saying that or say you are sorry Michael.

What is the topic? The topic is not "what doctrine do we need to be saved" now was it? no

It was "You can't be saved without a pastor" and I reversed that to argue that if you ARE saved you'll WANT a Pastor...then you come along and distort what I said and put words in my mouth
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:53 PM
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Re: "You Can't Be Saved Without a Pastor."

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Not if you like the name to begin with, but it does seem a bit creepy if you name your kid to "honor" the pastor. Why stop at the pastor? Why not go all the way to the top and name a son Jesus?
Often times people name their children after people who have greatly effected them. I feel like out of all the people anyone could name their child after a good pastor would be a good choice of names.
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