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Old 06-20-2012, 10:12 AM
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I think the percentage is so small I am willing to live with it (no pun intended).

I think the safeguards in our judicial system weed out 99.9% of errors. In the small number of cases where an error has been made the person is usually still a terrible person with prior convictions for rape or some other violent crime. Not justifying executing people innocent of the crime they are accused of but just saying very few people on death row are good people.
"Since 1973, 140 people in 26 states have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence." http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inno...-death-penalty
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:16 AM
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"Since 1973, 140 people in 26 states have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence." http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inno...-death-penalty

How many innocents have been executed?

Documentation please.
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How many innocents have been executed?

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Since the death penalty was re instituted that is.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:30 AM
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How many innocents have been executed?

Documentation please.
No one knows, of course. Some have been exonerated, post-execution, but most of the time, nobody bothers to find out, after it's too late. But here are two examples, both in Texas:

Cameron Todd Willingham http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-..._b_272327.html

Carlos DeLuna http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1507003.html

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Old 06-20-2012, 10:39 AM
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Texas had a lab problem with DNA evidence. I don't remember if any were death penalty cases.
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No one knows, of course. Some have been exonerated, post-execution, but most of the time, nobody bothers to find out, after it's too late. But here are two examples, both in Texas:

Cameron Todd Willingham http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-..._b_272327.html

Carlos DeLuna http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1507003.html

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Thanks for the info....not sure whether this means that capitol punishment should be abolished, but rather that the proof should be irrefutable before we execute.
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Thanks for the info....not sure whether this means that capitol punishment should be abolished, but rather that the proof should be irrefutable before we execute.
I'm with you on that.

With technology today, there shouldn't be any reason for a person to be sentenced to death without sufficient, irrefutable evidence.

I'm not against capital punishment, but can't stand to think about our history when it comes to this form of punishment and the innocent people who have died in this country.
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One issue (and it's not "false") that prevents me from supporting the death penalty is that a lot of convictions are wrong. Some are overturned, but not all. Many innocents have been executed, even in Texas!
Timmy this may shock you but I dont disagree with you. I think the standard for a death penalty execution should be extremely high. Higher than it is.

However when we have a solid conviction, I am for the DP.

The standard should always be the protection of innocent life. There are times when that requires a person be put to death.
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The standard should always be the protection of innocent life. There are times when that requires a person be put to death.
... like when a pregnancy endangers the life of the mother.
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