Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Sanctuary > Deep Waters
Facebook

Notices

Deep Waters 'Deep Calleth Unto Deep ' -The place to go for Ministry discussions. Please keep it civil. Remember to discuss the issues, not each other.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 04-11-2012, 03:29 PM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Original Sin

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 View Post
Irony, indeed. You haven't found the verse that says,
"If you disbelieve a single thing, you have rejected it all?"
But of course, if you just remove that verse...lol.
I can't recall seeing that verse, no. If it's there, it's wrong. It's utterly absurd.
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-11-2012, 03:31 PM
Michael Phelps's Avatar
Michael Phelps Michael Phelps is offline
Rebel with a cause.


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
Posts: 6,813
Re: Original Sin

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 View Post
Hey, I'd be the first to admit that that is not me. I just accept that the verses I don't get yet are just that--verses I don't get yet. I had a big prob with the Pharoah thing for years. Doubt I have seen all of its implications even now.

I had hoped to suck Aquila, and whomever, into a posit on "Original Sin," as I was raised with it just like everyone else, and only abandoned it recently. Chiefly by way of Augustine's other writings, via Matthew Fox.
(cue crickets please)
I definitely appreciate your honesty.

Every person that I know, including myself, picks and chooses the scriptures that we either:

1.) Believe wholeheartedly
2.) Believe were cultural, and not relevant for today
3.) Don't understand
4.) Choose to ignore!

The problem is, some of those scriptures have become eternal doctrinal tenets, and sadly, in many cases they were either cultural writings, or totally misinterpreted!

The ones most people choose to ignore?
Uh, Sell all that you have and give to the poor, greet each other with a holy kiss, forsake mother and father, brother and sister, go into all the world and preach the gospel, don't gossip, don't backbite, and the list goes on........

(Cue said crickets)
__________________
"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-11-2012, 03:39 PM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Original Sin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Phelps View Post
I definitely appreciate your honesty.

Every person that I know, including myself, picks and chooses the scriptures that we either:

1.) Believe wholeheartedly
2.) Believe were cultural, and not relevant for today
3.) Don't understand
4.) Choose to ignore!

The problem is, some of those scriptures have become eternal doctrinal tenets, and sadly, in many cases they were either cultural writings, or totally misinterpreted!

The ones most people choose to ignore?
Uh, Sell all that you have and give to the poor, greet each other with a holy kiss, forsake mother and father, brother and sister, go into all the world and preach the gospel, don't gossip, don't backbite, and the list goes on........

(Cue said crickets)
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-11-2012, 05:59 PM
forgivenson's Avatar
forgivenson forgivenson is offline
Non-white I am a pink man


 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 202
Re: Original Sin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
Sorry, I don't remember ever not answering that question. I've answered it for others, several times.

I am here to provoke thought. To make people think about what they believe, or say they believe, to try to articulate it clearly, and to consider the implications of it. I am also posting things I believe, from time to time (usually in response to a question). I will, of course, stop that, if I am ever asked to by admins. (In fact, I have gotten some specific requests, and I am complying with them.)
Hmmmm, sounds like the basic agenda of an internet 'troll'. At least you are honest about it.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-11-2012, 06:01 PM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Original Sin

Quote:
Originally Posted by forgivenson View Post
Hmmmm, sounds like the basic agenda of an internet 'troll'. At least you are honest about it.
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 04-11-2012, 07:12 PM
bbyrd009 bbyrd009 is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 6,178
Re: Original Sin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
I can't recall seeing that verse, no. If it's there, it's wrong. It's utterly absurd.
Well, I paraphrased, but it's in there, in more than one spot.
Original Sin, anyone?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 04-11-2012, 07:25 PM
Michael Phelps's Avatar
Michael Phelps Michael Phelps is offline
Rebel with a cause.


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
Posts: 6,813
Re: Original Sin

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 View Post
Well, I paraphrased, but it's in there, in more than one spot.
Original Sin, anyone?
Can you post the scripture references? Methinks they don't refer to the "Bible" as we know it.
__________________
"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 04-11-2012, 07:28 PM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: Original Sin

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 View Post
Well, I paraphrased, but it's in there, in more than one spot.
Original Sin, anyone?


http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...80#post1153680
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 04-12-2012, 09:51 AM
bbyrd009 bbyrd009 is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 6,178
Re: Original Sin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Phelps View Post
Can you post the scripture references? Methinks they don't refer to the "Bible" as we know it.
You mean the refs for accepting all, or none of the Bible? I shot T the one in Rev...Rev 22:19, which might be read as being specific to Rev, but I've read the same intent in other Scripture, I'll try and dig up another.

At the same time, I would not try to hold anyone to my interpretation of any Scripture, so much as condemn dismissing Scripture that is just not understood. Christ read from Aramaic translations of Scripture, and made no mention of problems--in fact, He seemed to verify at least the OT's veracity?
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 04-12-2012, 10:08 AM
Michael Phelps's Avatar
Michael Phelps Michael Phelps is offline
Rebel with a cause.


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
Posts: 6,813
Re: Original Sin

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbyrd009 View Post
You mean the refs for accepting all, or none of the Bible? I shot T the one in Rev...Rev 22:19, which might be read as being specific to Rev, but I've read the same intent in other Scripture, I'll try and dig up another.

At the same time, I would not try to hold anyone to my interpretation of any Scripture, so much as condemn dismissing Scripture that is just not understood. Christ read from Aramaic translations of Scripture, and made no mention of problems--in fact, He seemed to verify at least the OT's veracity?
Well, here's my point - the Bible, as we know it, didn't even exist until 387 AD. There were several other writings that were excluded from the canon, so, when you're saying "Believe all of the Bible or none of it", you are relying on a man's interpretation of what "holy writ" even is.

That's where I have an issue. What about the writings of Josephus? The Macabbees? And the list goes on.......

What you are saying is "Either you believe everything in the 66 books canonized by a carnal pope, or you believe none of it".

I'm not quite sure the scriptures are that broad brushed...........
__________________
"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Original Sin Sheila Deep Waters 43 02-18-2012 11:31 AM
Original Sin & Free Will staysharp Fellowship Hall 2 09-17-2011 04:51 PM
Original Sin/Ancestral Sin Brother Price Fellowship Hall 209 06-26-2008 12:22 AM
divine flesh and original sin Dedicated Mind Deep Waters 332 07-31-2007 08:44 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.