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Old 06-13-2010, 01:45 AM
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Is perfect justice a really, really good thing?
What is perfect justice?

Or another way of putting it: Is it perfectly just for a boss to give a worker that works 8 hours on a job the same thing that he gives a worker that works 1 hour on that same job? You see Jesus likened the kingdom of heaven to such.
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Old 06-13-2010, 11:11 AM
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What is perfect justice?

Or another way of putting it: Is it perfectly just for a boss to give a worker that works 8 hours on a job the same thing that he gives a worker that works 1 hour on that same job? You see Jesus likened the kingdom of heaven to such.
Yes, I suppose that must be perfect justice. Should be follow that example?
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:22 PM
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Re: Is justice a virtue?

More directly, what I had in mind was the justice of God, and specifically as it determines our eternal fate. It has been described this way: God is perfectly just. This requires Him to punish everyone for their failure to live 100% sinlessly all their lives (unless they get a pardon, of course). Even if you sin just once (and everyone does at least that), you deserve eternal punishment for that sin. And even if you do get a pardon, you still deserve that punishment -- it's just that you won't be punished for it, because Jesus was punished in your stead. (I think I got that right, but please, someone correct me if I'm wrong! )

So, I was just wondering if everyone here (most particularly, my Apostolic friends ) thinks of this as a good thing. They often speak of how good God is (often when they have a testimony of something wonderful that happened), and list some of those good attributes. So, how about it, Apostolic friends? Is God's justice one of His many good attributes?

(Universal Reconciliationist Apostolics are excused from this question. )
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Is being "just" a good thing? And is God's justice a really, really good thing? Way better than any justice we humans could mete out, even among the best of our judges and juries? Do you love God's justice?
A careful study of God's view of justice will quickly reveal that His justice is absolutely a good thing!! And will support the idea of compassion on mankind that He created.
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Re: Is justice a virtue?

Timmy, why won't anyone play with you? Have you been acting up again? I haven't been on much lately.
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Timmy, why won't anyone play with you? Have you been acting up again? I haven't been on much lately.
Me? Acting up?
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A careful study of God's view of justice will quickly reveal that His justice is absolutely a good thing!! And will support the idea of compassion on mankind that He created.
Yeah, but your are UR.
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Re: Is justice a virtue?

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More directly, what I had in mind was the justice of God, and specifically as it determines our eternal fate. It has been described this way: God is perfectly just. This requires Him to punish everyone for their failure to live 100% sinlessly all their lives (unless they get a pardon, of course). Even if you sin just once (and everyone does at least that), you deserve eternal punishment for that sin. And even if you do get a pardon, you still deserve that punishment -- it's just that you won't be punished for it, because Jesus was punished in your stead. (I think I got that right, but please, someone correct me if I'm wrong! )

So, I was just wondering if everyone here (most particularly, my Apostolic friends ) thinks of this as a good thing. They often speak of how good God is (often when they have a testimony of something wonderful that happened), and list some of those good attributes. So, how about it, Apostolic friends? Is God's justice one of His many good attributes?

(Universal Reconciliationist Apostolics are excused from this question. )
Everything about God is good, even his justness.
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Everything about God is good, even his justness.
Thanks.

Do His qualities have relative goodness to each other? E.g., is His grace and mercy even better than His justness?
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Is being "just" a good thing? And is God's justice a really, really good thing? Way better than any justice we humans could mete out, even among the best of our judges and juries? Do you love God's justice?
Yes... as it is a result of the whole of law. We cannot be saved with such justice on God's and our parts.
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