Last days

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by izzorac79

The same last days that is mention in the books of Acts 2:17. In the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my spirit upon all flesh.... Peter is describing something that happen in 1st century A.D. (receiving the Holy Ghost). if we put the "last days" of timothy in our time (2000 plus years later), then we must do the same for the "last days" in the book of Acts, but because we don't; then we put the "last days" in timothy in 1st century A.D. before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D

Thank you good point. So then can one say that we are not living in the last days? since I have changed my veiw point of prophecy. I now see how things could go on indefinitly. I mean it has only been 2000 years sence the cross, and if my understanding is right OT or mans recorded history as far as we can tell covers around 4000 years. So if God let things go in that time why would we think he would cut things short now. My understanding of things now is not that God will come down and punish the whole world. But that he will come down and punish countrys and or governments. Which we have seen through out history. When they turn to far from God.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Hebrews 1:1.2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

This was written in approx. AD 64. Just a few short years before the
seige and destruction of Jerusalem, prophesied by Jesus in Matt. 24, Mark
13 and Luke 21.

If those were the last days of that age of Jewish lawkeeping and animal
sacrifices, what are we living in the last days of?

Just some thoughts!

Here is a thought, Just before a country came under the judgement of God these verses in Timothy would fit. There for before God brings judgment on a country this is how things become. I think this would discribe every country through history just before their down fall.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Here is a thought, Just before a country came under the judgement of God these verses in Timothy would fit. There for before God brings judgment on a country this is how things become. I think this would discribe every country through history just before their down fall.

Yes, and the judgement is always on the wicked (unbelieving) ones. The
righteous are always saved out of the water, fire, etc. God is the Righteous
Judge.

Hebrews and IITimothy were both written in AD 64, according to my Bible.
Perhaps it describes the impending seige and judgement on Jerusalem and her
temple, and those who refused Jesus words in Matt.24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

I guess if you beleive there will be an anti-christ that will rise up I just cannot find one in the bible. As for rightly dividing the word that goes both ways.

Allow me to jump in here for a brief moment and give my "two cents" worth on these matters for consideration. I'm not saying that everything that I shall state is indisputable truths, however, for me personally, they seem to "fill the bill" concerning the manner that I view and accept them.

First, I believe it to be absolutely clear from the sacred writings of the scriptures that there can be ONLY one way to "rightly divide the word of truth," and this MUST come by direct revelation of the Spirit, else it is nothing more than carnal-minded speculation and therefore the potential for being seriously flawed prevails.

Secondly, in my humble opinion, for one to assert/suggest that there will not come a moment in the future whenever the evil, wicked invisible spirit of Satan will become manifest in a physical human body, represents a complete disregard (and this unwittingly I suspect), of the things which the apostle John was commanded to record in the book of Revelation regardings "the things which shall be hereafter." (see Revelation 1:19)

The words of Revelation chapter 12 foretells of a future moment whenever Satan and his wicked band will mount an assault on the throne of God in the heavens, an act in which they will suffer defeat, resulting in them being "cast out into the earth." When this event transpires, Satan ("the accuser of our brethren.... which accused them before our God day and night"), will thereafter no longer have access to the throne of God, but is confined strictly to the earth. Being unable to constantly accuse God's chosen people directly to God in heaven, he will endeavor to accomplish this on the earth. This is why we find it written in verse #12 - "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

Because Satan possesses no creative powers whatsoever, yet needing a visible physical body through which he will seek to deceive all the earth by portraying himself as the One True God manifest in human flesh (hence the term "Anti-Christ"), God will grant unto him the ability to take up residence within the body of a slain renown political leader. We read of this in Revelation 13:3 - "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." The phrase "wounded to death" implies that someone has been inflicted with a mortal wound. The phrase "deadly wound was healed" denotes a resurrection from the dead.

By this we should understand that there will come a moment in the future (and this perhaps even sooner than one might even venture to imagine), when a world renown political leader (the identity of whom I would be extremely hesitant to name), will be assassinated, but after a brief period (3 days???) the evil invisible spirit of Satan will enter into that slain body, causing it to "come to life," thereby making it appear that he possessed the power of resurrection from the dead. In this singular act Satan will achieve great success in his efforts to deceive the entire population of the earth (with the sole exception of the true saints of God in whom He lives), into acceptance of him as God.

This singular act will also be accompanied, either simultaneously or before, by a judgment of gross spiritual blindness of all the unsaved inhabitants of the earth. Because of this forthcoming judgment from God, even those who presently only "profess" Christ Jesus as being Lord and Saviour, will be led to refute everything which they previously held as truth concerning Him. This forthcoming judgment is that which the present-day teachings of preterism, as well as pre-tribulation rapturism, apparently fail to recognize.

Well, this is simply a very brief summary of some of the things which I have become persuaded are true concerning the future, and I submit them for consideration and discussion (of which I am confident there will be much to say by many).

Regards,
Lafon

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Yes, and the judgement is always on the wicked (unbelieving) ones. The
righteous are always saved out of the water, fire, etc. God is the Righteous
Judge.

Hebrews and IITimothy were both written in AD 64, according to my Bible.
Perhaps it describes the impending seige and judgement on Jerusalem and her
temple, and those who refused Jesus words in Matt.24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.

That is my thoughts but I was so indoctrinated to beleive in the so called end time that is taught by dispinsation teachings that I wanted to get others opinion
Thank you

[RevDWW]

Everybody has a Last days.......

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Allow me to jump in here for a brief moment and give my "two cents" worth on these matters for consideration. I'm not saying that everything that I shall state is indisputable truths, however, for me personally, they seem to "fill the bill" concerning the manner that I view and accept them.

First, I believe it to be absolutely clear from the sacred writings of the scriptures that there can be ONLY one way to "rightly divide the word of truth," and this MUST come by direct revelation of the Spirit, else it is nothing more than carnal-minded speculation and therefore the potential for being seriously flawed prevails.

Secondly, in my humble opinion, for one to assert/suggest that there will not come a moment in the future whenever the evil, wicked invisible spirit of Satan will become manifest in a physical human body, represents a complete disregard (and this unwittingly I suspect), of the things which the apostle John was commanded to record in the book of Revelation regardings "the things which shall be hereafter." (see Revelation 1:19)

The words of Revelation chapter 12 foretells of a future moment whenever Satan and his wicked band will mount an assault on the throne of God in the heavens, an act in which they will suffer defeat, resulting in them being "cast out into the earth." When this event transpires, Satan ("the accuser of our brethren.... which accused them before our God day and night"), will thereafter no longer have access to the throne of God, but is confined strictly to the earth. Being unable to constantly accuse God's chosen people directly to God in heaven, he will endeavor to accomplish this on the earth. This is why we find it written in verse #12 - "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

Because Satan possesses no creative powers whatsoever, yet needing a visible physical body through which he will seek to deceive all the earth by portraying himself as the One True God manifest in human flesh (hence the term "Anti-Christ"), God will grant unto him the ability to take up residence within the body of a slain renown political leader. We read of this in Revelation 13:3 - "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." The phrase "wounded to death" implies that someone has been inflicted with a mortal wound. The phrase "deadly wound was healed" denotes a resurrection from the dead.

By this we should understand that there will come a moment in the future (and this perhaps even sooner than one might even venture to imagine), when a world renown political leader (the identity of whom I would be extremely hesitant to name), will be assassinated, but after a brief period (3 days???) the evil invisible spirit of Satan will enter into that slain body, causing it to "come to life," thereby making it appear that he possessed the power of resurrection from the dead. In this singular act Satan will achieve great success in his efforts to deceive the entire population of the earth (with the sole exception of the true saints of God in whom He lives), into acceptance of him as God.

This singular act will also be accompanied, either simultaneously or before, by a judgment of gross spiritual blindness of all the unsaved inhabitants of the earth. Because of this forthcoming judgment from God, even those who presently only "profess" Christ Jesus as being Lord and Saviour, will be led to refute everything which they previously held as truth concerning Him. This forthcoming judgment is that which the present-day teachings of preterism, as well as pre-tribulation rapturism, apparently fail to recognize.

Well, this is simply a very brief summary of some of the things which I have become persuaded are true concerning the future, and I submit them for consideration and discussion (of which I am confident there will be much to say by many).

Regards,
Lafon

I thank you for your thoughts I will say that my views have changed in the last several years. I was raised in a pretrib rapture dispinsationalist teaching church. 15 years ago I began to see much of Rev. having been fulfilled. I then came to see that Daniels 70 weeks had to be complete with Christ, which caused me to see things from a differant light. This I came to on my own with the leading of the spirit with much prayer and study. I have since had those thoughts confirmed by reading others writtings.

I have one thing else to say about Revelations 1 you seem to forget verse one
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
then in light of this verse 19 would be better read "those this which shall accompany or follow" it is too easy to think on hearafter in terms of far reaching future when as you say rightly dividing the word. We must take into account the first of the chapter to understand fully what is being said in verse 19.

As for chapter 12 I don't see it at all like you discribed, I actualy see this as having already happened. The heaven in this passage does not speak of the throne room of God. Only the child is caught up to the throne of God. The rest happens in the air of our world. Check out the words in the Greek if you don't beleive me. I see this as the time that God save the church before 70ad when they fled Jerusalem to Pela. But that is just my opinion.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

That is my thoughts but I was so indoctrinated to beleive in the so called end time that is taught by dispinsation teachings that I wanted to get others opinion
Thank you

I understand!

Falla39

[OneAccord]

I've always veiwed the "last days" as having begun at Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was poured out in Acts 2.

However, in light of Heb. 1:2, the "last days" may have begun when Jesus was born. I was reading in 1 Thess. 4 how Paul said "...WE which are alive and remain...." Notice the word "WE", which seems to suggest that those living at that time would witness the Lord's return. The Thessalonian Christians read this, and seems to have mistakenly concluded that the coming of the Lord would be in their lifetime. Hence the need for Pauls 2nd letter to clarify that certain events must take place before the Lord's return. (2 Thess. 2).

In Rev. 1:19, the Lord speaks to John and says this: "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things will shall be hereafter." I'm not a student of prophecy, but, if I understand anything about prophecy, it seem to have more than one meaning and, sometimes, more than one fulfillment. I think it means different things. When Jesus was speaking in Matthew 24 about endtime events, it does seem that much of waht He said was fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem. That, I believe is what Jesus told John in Rev. 1:19- "the things which are". However, the prophecy is also about "....the things that shall be hereafter...". So, we can say Matt. 24 was partially fulfilled in 70 AD, but as long as there are false Christs and false prophets (Matt. 24:24), then I believe that prophecy had not been completely fulfilled.

[mfblume]

It says "Last days," not last centuries or last millennia. It is a relatively short time. SO if the last days were in the days Peter preached during Pentecost, I simply cannot believe they are still occurring.