"Jesus DID NOT die to give us...

[Sam]

This is my opinion. You may have a different opinion.

A person does not get saved because they believe, repent, get baptized, receive the Holy Ghost Baptism, and live for God. A person gets saved because he/she believes that Jesus died on the cross, was buried, and rose again and because of that faith the person asks Jesus Christ into his/her life. After that salvation experience the person may get baptized and may receive the Holy Ghost Baptism, however, whether or not the person is baptized in water and/or in the Spirit, there will be a change in their lifestyle that shows that salvation has taken place. There will be fruit in their life of some degree. It might not be the fruit we think it should be or look like but we are not their judge.

[easter]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

the chance to earn our salvation."


What does this statement mean to you?
How do you understand it?
What are some of the implications of this statement?
Do you agree with those implications?

Your Salvation was paid with a high price!
You could never repay/earn the right for Salvation because Jesus has already paid the debt in full.
The only way to get your SALVATION is through Jesus Christ,who gives this freely to all that believe and come to him.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I believe it is God's will for all people to repent,be baptized in Jesus Name and be Spirit Filled,but salvation is not earned it is a gift if salvation is merited it is not a gift.

While the grace of God teaches us to behave in a responsible manner,one cannot earn salvation.
Our works are a result of salvation.

Scott, this statment is maybe the most profound made on this thread, because it could shed light that is missing in this whole conversation.

Jesus paid the penalty for EVERY sin of EVERY human being that has ever been born. Every one on this forum believes this statment, I think. If it this is true, why would God require that each individual suffer eternal death for sins that the blood of Jesus has already paid??

Our obedience to scripture is a response to our being reconciled and delivered from the penalty our sin. And is required to enter into the LIFE of God. Otherwise this physical life of ours is wasted (perishes).

The lack of obedience does not take us out of Jesus hand, nothing can undo what Jesus has done for all mankind. However, we will recieve the consequences of our actions, we will recieve condemnation for the continued sin, in the refiner's fire.

Jesus said, He did not come to condemn the world, it was already condemned, but that by Him the world would be saved. Will He fail in His mission??? NO! Ever heard of double jeopardy?

When on the cross, He said father forgive them for they don't know what they are doing. Did God forgive them? Well, if the blood paid the penalty for their sin, and Jesus declared their forgiveness, how could they ultimately be lost???

No, Jesus did not die to offer a chance at salvation. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, and He will ultimately correct, purge and save all humanity.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by crakjak

No, Jesus did not die to offer a chance at salvation. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, and He will ultimately correct, purge and save all humanity.

SO everyone will be saved?

Is this where I will end up in my thinking if I follow my current logic all the way?


The Bible makes it clear that there is a place of torment for the wicked where they will spend eternity.

How can you possibly take my question and make the point that you made?

Do you not read the Bible?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

SO everyone will be saved?

Is this where I will end up in my thinking if I follow my current logic all the way?


The Bible makes it clear that there is a place of torment for the wicked where they will spend eternity.

How can you possibly take my question and make the point that you made?

Do you not read the Bible?

You mean you have not read Crakjak's major theme in his posts for the last series of ... is it, years (?)?

[SeekingOne]

"Jesus DID NOT die to give us...the chance to earn our salvation."

What does this statement mean to you?

It means that Jesus paid the price and already did the "work"

How do you understand it?

I understand that Jesus paid the penalty for my sin and I didn't deserve it when I accepted it and I still don't deserve it even though I do the best works I can. My works are as filthy rags. That's okay, I still do them because I love Him.

What are some of the implications of this statement?

As Paul preached, some will want to use Jesus' gift as an excuse to sin, because they know they will be forgiven.

Some will see that their works don't earn them a thing, but because of their great love for Jesus, they will continue to trust Him and the result of that trust is that they continue to serve Him and do works that are like filthy rags.

Kind of like that tithe thread, some will give from the abundance of their hearts without expecting anything in return. Some will "tithe" thinking they will earn something in return - not that everyone that "tithes" does it to get something back just like many people that think their "works" are a part of their salvation don't do them just to be saved.

Do you agree with those implications?

Absolutely not! I do believe my name can be blotted out of the Book of Life and that even the Righteous will barely be saved. I believe that the path I am on is narrow and leads to Life and there is another path that is wide and leads to death.

I am with Bro. Scott, "While the grace of God teaches us to behave in a responsible manner, one cannot earn salvation. Our works are a result of salvation. "

I sometimes wonder if people all over the world argue about this, because just like the workers in the parable, we don't want everyone to get the same "pay" if they didn't do the same "work" we did.

[mfblume]

We work because we are saved, not to obtain salvation.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Works are a result of faith and salvation,not the cause of it,righteousness is a position,not a performance,if one is taught by God's grace,correct behaviour and charcter will result.

[RevDWW]

Salvation is not earned. Jesus paid the price, all we have to do is obey the Gospel and receive it's benefits.

[Beard]

reminds me of the song:

"Trust and obey, for there's no other way,
to be happy with Jesus,
but to trust and obey."