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04-12-2007, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Kutless
Which is where this fellow student will lead us next class. Thank God for faith!
"He that believeth"
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I am in a group study that includes mostly current or ex-Methodists. In my flesh, I want to jump to Acts 2:38 and Oneness so bad that it hurts me! But, I remember one night after leaving and weeping over these 6 souls God "telling" me to help them understand faith first. Once they come to know what faith is (not just mental work, but action), they will then be able to make a choice. Right now, they don't even know they NEED TO make a choice.
God bless you in your efforts, Kutless! 
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- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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04-12-2007, 10:55 AM
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"It's Never Too Late"
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
And the New Covenant wasn't activated until the death of the testator -Jesus Christ.
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Until the day of Pentecost was fully come...
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04-12-2007, 10:58 AM
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"It's Never Too Late"
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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind
Jesus died before the two thieves.
They broke their legs, and not his, because he was already dead.
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The day of Pentecost was not fully come. It took the death and the resurrection of Jesus. He needed to assend to heaven.
As he told Mary at the tomb.
Do not touch me I have not yet assended.
Also he was to appear to them on the day of Pentecost.
Then Peter preached....
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04-12-2007, 11:02 AM
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Are there more requirements for salvation in the NT than in the Old? Thief saved by faith in the OT, but if he had been crucified a few months later and cried to God in the same way God would have said "Too bad. You should have been crucified last year when I let people like you into heaven!" This doesn't make any sense.
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04-12-2007, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ILG
Are there more requirements for salvation in the NT than in the Old?
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Nope. It's still "by grace through faith", no matter what time period one lived in. 
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- And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. [Zechariah 14:9]
- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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04-12-2007, 11:08 AM
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Nope. It's still "by grace through faith", no matter what time period one lived in. |
Right....and the thief didn't have to come down from the cross and make a blood sacrifice....neither would he have to come down and be baptized.
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04-12-2007, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ILG
Right....and the thief didn't have to come down from the cross and make a blood sacrifice....neither would he have to come down and be baptized.
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But......I wouldn't base my belief on this biblical account. We see no other "saved" like this man. I believe it was a one-time deal. Plus, we really don't know what kind of life this man led pre-crucifixion. He may have just made one stupid mistake.
There are too many variables to use this to support a stance on much at all, other than God's sovereignty, mercy and grace.
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- And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. [Zechariah 14:9]
- Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
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04-12-2007, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by OGIA
But......I wouldn't base my belief on this biblical account. We see no other "saved" like this man. I believe it was a one-time deal. Plus, we really don't know what kind of life this man led pre-crucifixion. He may have just made one stupid mistake.
There are too many variables to use this to support a stance on much at all, other than God's sovereignty, mercy and grace.
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Okay, I can go along with that. I believe that anyone rejecting baptism is not going to be on the happy side of God. But, the truth is that we do have an example here of being saved by faith alone.....so, it does happen. I think that should make folks think a lot less narrowly..
I should say I can go along with that somewhat. There is a lot in Romans etc. that talks about being saved by faith.
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04-12-2007, 11:15 AM
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Salvation, being received through the heart, is ultimately only known by one who can read and see in the heart.
Jesus said the time was coming, and now is, when they that worship God must do so with the inner man and without pretension. If Jesus saw the heart of the thief he knew his intent and depth of his faith.
No doubt, had his life not ended there, the thief would have been among the Christian number after the institution of the New Testament church.
I think everyone would agree there was somewhat of a transitional era. Paul delt with this in the Jews when they continued sacrifice and ritual in spite of the ultimate sacrifice having been made.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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04-12-2007, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by OGIA
But......I wouldn't base my belief on this biblical account. We see no other "saved" like this man. I believe it was a one-time deal. Plus, we really don't know what kind of life this man led pre-crucifixion. He may have just made one stupid mistake.
There are too many variables to use this to support a stance on much at all, other than God's sovereignty, mercy and grace.
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so is it a case by case basis?
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