Repentance necessary for salvation - Page 2

mizpeh · #11 01-19-2009, 09:22 PM

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No, I left them there - Bro. Haywood was a big guy.

Thanks, Laurel!

Acts 17: 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Scott Hutchinson · #12 01-19-2009, 09:54 PM

Yes repentance is essential a person who has not truly repented is not ready for being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ,nor are they ready to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

edjen01 · #13 01-19-2009, 10:01 PM

repentance is a must....and yes it is a work.

Book 'em Dano · #14 01-20-2009, 12:46 AM

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repentance is a must....and yes it is a work.

No, it is not a work

mizpeh · #15 01-20-2009, 03:27 AM

It's a work of grace.

LUKE2447 · #16 01-20-2009, 07:06 AM

Anything that has to do with choice is a work!

LUKE2447 · #17 01-20-2009, 07:08 AM

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It's a work of grace.

Yes, it is because one received the message which was a act of Grace. Thus anything that proceeds from that is by the grace of God. Thus repentace is by his grace!

pelathais · #18 01-20-2009, 07:24 AM

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Anything that has to do with choice is a work!

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Yes, it is because one received the message which was a act of Grace. Thus anything that proceeds from that is by the grace of God. Thus repentace is by his grace!

Hi Luke. While I suppose we probably agree on the essentials here, I'm wondering how you and others on AFF see the following passages:

John 6:37-39; John 6:44-45 and John 6:65.

There are some who interpret the word "draw" in John 6:44 as literally "drag." I don't think such an extreme understanding is necessary though that's how the Greek word is usually used. Do you see that the work of "coming to Jesus," in these passages anyhow, is a result of the workings of the Spirit of God (or the Father).

These passages from John are usually associated with the words of Paul in Romans 8:28-30.

Bro-Larry · #19 01-20-2009, 07:26 AM

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When people speak of "work(s)" in the context of salvation they are usually referring to the writings of Paul and/or James. In those writings, "work(s)" always refers to the works of the Law - with the possible exception of including Christian charitable works as well.

Yes. Ephesians 1:4-6. If you are to be saved in eternity, then you were saved "before the foundation of the world." Presumably Prax, that was well before you or I were even born.

And your insight in the passages you cite reveals keenness of mind.

Repentance toward God is turning toward God. Absolutely necessary for salvation.

BTW: All church doctrines are just another system of law. Little different from the Law of Moses. No flesh has ever been or ever will be justified by the deeds of the law.

mizpeh · #20 01-20-2009, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Hi Luke. While I suppose we probably agree on the essentials here, I'm wondering how you and others on AFF see the following passages:

John 6:37-39; John 6:44-45 and John 6:65.

There are some who interpret the word "draw" in John 6:44 as literally "drag." I don't think such an extreme understanding is necessary though that's how the Greek word is usually used. Do you see that the work of "coming to Jesus," in these passages anyhow, is a result of the workings of the Spirit of God (or the Father).

These passages from John are usually associated with the words of Paul in Romans 8:28-30.

Pel, The drawing, the conviction from hearing the word of His grace, and the goodness that LEADS to repentance are all the work of God....repentance is our response to the move of God in our lives. Repentance is a choice WE make. Does that make it a syngistic?