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07-09-2008, 08:39 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
If this was the witches familiar spirit and not Samuel why did she react the way she did?
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Praz, you must be pulling my leg, bro? You don't really think any witch or wizard can call up a human spirit from the dead do you?
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07-09-2008, 08:43 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?
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I think he makes it up as he goes along. If you read the text, it clearly says Samuel was speaking to Saul.
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The "familiar" spirit fooled both Saul, and the witch. I'm beginning to wonder about Rico????? Nooooootttt! Rico, I know you don't really believe that? or do you?
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07-09-2008, 08:59 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?
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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry
The "familiar" spirit fooled both Saul, and the witch. I'm beginning to wonder about Rico????? Nooooootttt! Rico, I know you don't really believe that? or do you?
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I believe what the Bible says, and it says that Samuel was speaking to Saul. I am not into rewriting the Word of God to suit my thoughts on what should or shouldn't be. Once we start changing what the Word of God says there's no stopping the editing. Very dangerous ground to build on.
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07-09-2008, 09:04 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?
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Praz, you must be pulling my leg, bro? You don't really think any witch or wizard can call up a human spirit from the dead do you?
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Did you read what I posted? I asked a question not made an assertion
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07-09-2008, 09:05 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?
Here's a thought. God allowed it to happen, not that the witch could do it, for the purpose of one last rebuke of Saul
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-09-2008, 10:09 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Here's a thought. God allowed it to happen, not that the witch could do it, for the purpose of one last rebuke of Saul
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Exactly Prax., I have always believed this was Samuel. The witch was surprised when he actually appeared. That is the only explanation. God can certainly allow those departed saints to appear to whoever he chooses. Remember the LORD was with Moses and Elijah on the Mount. Hebrews states we are "surrounded" with a great company of witnesses (I think they are actually cognizant to what is happening here).
If this were an evil or familiar spirit then the Bible audaciously states wrongly that it was Samuel. I have heard the theory preached about it being an evil spirit before, BUT never have they been able to explain the witches reaction, or why the Bible says that it was Samuel. My pastor preaches this was an evil spirit. But I think he is wrong.
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07-09-2008, 11:10 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Here's a thought. God allowed it to happen, not that the witch could do it, for the purpose of one last rebuke of Saul
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Agreed Prax. God woke him out of sleep to which he returned.
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07-10-2008, 11:18 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?
I read one translation where it said Samuel came up from the earth.He appeared in the form of a old man.
I don't understand all of this,but I take it in faith.
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07-12-2008, 09:32 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?
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Originally Posted by Rico
I believe what the Bible says, and it says that Samuel was speaking to Saul. I am not into rewriting the Word of God to suit my thoughts on what should or shouldn't be. Once we start changing what the Word of God says there's no stopping the editing. Very dangerous ground to build on.
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You keep forgetting, Rico, it's not necessarily "the word of God" it's what King James I's transalators thought was the word of God.
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07-12-2008, 09:42 PM
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Re: Where Was Samuel ?
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Originally Posted by U376977
Exactly Prax., I have always believed this was Samuel. The witch was surprised when he actually appeared. That is the only explanation. God can certainly allow those departed saints to appear to whoever he chooses. Remember the LORD was with Moses and Elijah on the Mount. Hebrews states we are "surrounded" with a great company of witnesses (I think they are actually cognizant to what is happening here).
If this were an evil or familiar spirit then the Bible audaciously states wrongly that it was Samuel. I have heard the theory preached about it being an evil spirit before, BUT never have they been able to explain the witches reaction, or why the Bible says that it was Samuel. My pastor preaches this was an evil spirit. But I think he is wrong.
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Sorry my brothers, May God bless you with wisdom, but I see the total context as saying it was a familiar spirit, mascurading as Samuel.
"Wisdom: the ability to see the situation as God sees it." (Joel Keith Layne Aug 2, 1992)
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