For Lack of Scripture

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wow! In other words he is saying we don't need bible. We just need to "hear from God" which is what the Pope claims to have been doing for centuries.

Shocking! So Jekyll is not sola scriptura. The sole rule of faith is not the word of God but the word of God plus whomever he believes is a prophet and hears something not found in the bible. I said it before...this magic hair stuff if not stopped leads to more heresy

Can you see the forest through the trees?

Do you have an answer for the events listed above or do you wish to pontificate and assume as to why I am posting this?

Where in the world do you see that I am saying that we don't need the Bible? Who brought up hair?

On the other hand, I marvel at the faith of the New Testament churches who, having not necessarily seen or even heard of Jesus, experienced salvation and revival previous to the writings of Paul and not having the four gospels spread abroad.

We have a nice ready made book of scripture that people choose to deny, twist, take out of context, and use to their own devices. That goes for anyone, not defending nor discounting specific individuals. I was posting about a phenomenon where people have decided that what another individual said was the word of God. How did those, without definitive scripture, discern what was the word of God and what wasn't? I know how, but how did these people live in their everyday human lives that allowed them to be sensitive and obey the voice of God from another individual?

As far as hair goes, I have seen the same arguments for three years. Those who deny what Paul was saying in Corinthians will continue to deny, and those who espouse will continue to espouse.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Can you see the forest through the trees?

Do you have an answer for the events listed above or do you wish to pontificate and assume as to why I am posting this?

Where in the world do you see that I am saying that we don't need the Bible? Who brought up hair?

On the other hand, I marvel at the faith of the New Testament churches who, having not necessarily seen or even heard of Jesus, experienced salvation and revival previous to the writings of Paul and not having the four gospels spread abroad.

We have a nice ready made book of scripture that people choose to deny, twist, take out of context, and use to their own devices. That goes for anyone, not defending nor discounting specific individuals. I was posting about a phenomenon where people have decided that what another individual said was the word of God. How did those, without definitive scripture, discern what was the word of God and what wasn't? I know how, but how did these people live in their everyday human lives that allowed them to be sensitive and obey the voice of God from another individual?

As far as hair goes, I have seen the same arguments for three years. Those who deny what Paul was saying in Corinthians will continue to deny, and those who espouse will continue to espouse.

Acts 17:
10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

[Carpenter]

Over the years I have have realized there is a difference between revelation and realization of scripture. I didn't receive a revelation of grace I believe however that through the holy ghost I simply realized the clarity of scripture. I am wary when someone says they have a revelation sans scripture because it implies God has told someone something in a vaccuum.

[Cindy]

We all have our time when it is just us and God. Whatever we believe doctrinally, however we have our own understanding of scripture, we still have that time. He said I will send you a comforter, wherein we have communion with His Spirit. That is what we are to listen to above all but the Word, the Word and the Spirit validate each other. They are never in discord. So people can rant and rave against preachers, doctrines, etc. But when they rant and rave against the Word, that is when the Holy Ghost will rise up in the children of God. And if it doesn't that is a bigger problem than anyone's personal opinions about each other.
That is why people are perishing, for every missionary and preacher that IS going out into the world and preaching the gospel, there are also those among us that want to raise themselves up as if they alone have the revelation of truth.
God's truth matters!

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Acts 17:
10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

Thank you.

But previous to scripture, how did people decide that what someone else said, was the Word of God?

[OneAccord]

Jer 28:9 The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, [then] shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him.

Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

At first glance, the sign of a true prophet in OT times was whether or not his word came to pass. If he spoke and the thing did not happen, then he was known to be a false prophet.

But, as we look closer, we find this this is not a infallibale prooof as to the validity of a prophet.

Deu 13:1 ¶ If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Even if the prophecy comes to pass, or is accompanied by signs and wonders, it has to agree what we know to be truth. In the above example, the prophets word, though "vindicated by signs and wonders", was false because it violated a very basic tenant of the Law. True prophecy neither adds to, or takes from, what God has already spoken.

[Cindy]

So are some of you saying that because we have the scriptures there is no more prophecy? No, that can't be because in Acts 2:17-18 the scripture says that there will be prophesying. So there will be prophets. But, it will not add to or take away from the Word.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Thank you.

But previous to scripture, how did people decide that what someone else said, was the Word of God?

I think the only thing we can assume (Tony Randall not withstanding) is that God took that into account and made His voice louder before there was available scripture as to leave no doubt. I'm not sure how else it would have happened.

[stmatthew]

In our day.......

No scripture, not doctrine.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

In our day.......

No scripture, not doctrine.

Is that too much to ask?