*BREAKING*Tulsa gathering beginning to unravel!

[Thad]

Originally Posted by deadeye

Do any of you have any proof, or documentation for these accusations, or are you just engaging in more talebearing and gossip.

Oh, wait this is Thads Tab...thats all that goes on here.

Then what are you doing here reading it ??

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Kings Kid

I understand that these men have strong convictions.But also they are very afraid of change and also they are afraid if they let this one standard slide the rest will follow. What I meant by the old school statement Thad is a lot of the these utla cons want to keep it old style pentecost.

Old style pentecost? when i think of OTP, i think of singing old songs out of hymanl, brush harbor style services, and of course, old fashioned attire.


and don't some some of them believe in technology?(not TV of course)but other forms of it

[Kings Kid]

Originally Posted by Thad

Old style pentecost? when i think of OTP, i think of singing old songs out of hymanl, brush harbor style services, and of course, old fashioned attire.


and don't some some of them believe in technology?(not TV of course)but other forms of it

Yes, some of them does believe in other forms of technology.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Thad

Exactly what the UPC needs?? Why is that ?

Thad, you know as well as I that the U in the UPC is anything but United. If the Tulsa movement leads to stability, union, continuity on both sides of the spectrum, why not yearn for it? I think the UPC is ripe and ready for a shakeup in order to move forward and become more stable.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Thad, you know as well as I that the U in the UPC is anything but United. If the Tulsa movement leads to stability, union, continuity on both sides of the spectrum, why not yearn for it? I think the UPC is ripe and ready for a shakeup in order to move forward and become more stable.

Good thoughts.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Thad, you know as well as I that the U in the UPC is anything but United. If the Tulsa movement leads to stability, union, continuity on both sides of the spectrum, why not yearn for it? I think the UPC is ripe and ready for a shakeup in order to move forward and become more stable.

I agree, however the Tulsa group don't really appear to represent that "UC" block. At least the list of names in both Councils cover almost as broad a spectrum as the UPC itself.

So what's the motive? it's not like the TV issue has split the org, nor holiness standards.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I agree, however the Tulsa group don't really appear to represent that "UC" block. At least the list of names in both Councils cover almost as broad a spectrum as the UPC itself.

So what's the motive? it's not like the TV issue has split the org, nor holiness standards.

Issues don't split organizations or churches, people split churches and organizations.

I think that between all this conjecture and bantering from all different sides the truth avoids us. In fact the result of Tulsa is something that is going to disappoint us because it will be as dynamic as a fourth of July fireworks display in the middle of a trailer park.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Kings Kid

Its coming apart at the the seams because of the deceit. Because the ultra cons want to keep things old school.

This post is extreeeeeemely insightful. Man, gathered a unique point of view from this post. What would we do without our lurkers and newbies spouting these sage words of wisdom?


As was stated before, how is this Tulsa meeting coming apart at the seams? It has been stated that this is an introductory meeting. It is on fragile egg shells as it is as most of the men prospecting that they will visit the meeting have made it clear that they will not be part of a protest movement.

There has to be SOME structure, what's wrong with setting a foundation of men for this org to be built upon? For the sake of gossip and the opportunity to attack a group of preachers, this fledgling fellowship sure has brought out a lot of uninformed ignorant people spouting their babblings...er...views

[stmatthew]

Let me state that my understanding is that the "list", as well as the website, was not going to be opened up until a later date. So It could be that an initial list was made with the intent on verifying the names, and changing them if need be, PRIOR to opening the site.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Issues don't split organizations or churches, people split churches and organizations.

I think that between all this conjecture and bantering from all different sides the truth avoids us. In fact the result of Tulsa is something that is going to disappoint us because it will be as dynamic as a fourth of July fireworks display in the middle of a trailer park.

I agree with you. I think it has been a surprise to HQ that so many are dropping. But I still see this as a good thing and hope both sides can move on with their agenda without killing each other.