divine flesh and original sin

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Yes Jesus was a human ,but He wasn't born in sin and shapen in inquity,like we are.Jesus was borned of a woman yes indeed.

Then HOW can he be our kinsmen redeemer? How can he be our high priest, tempted in all points like us?

How can he have experienced what we experience?

He wasn't just born OF a women. He was made OF a woman....the greek word there is ginomai....meaning generated. His begining...His human origin is FROM Mary....not IN Mary, FROM Mary. He was made FROM her humanity.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I do not believe in divine flesh,doctrine because it does an injustice to the atonement.If Jesus Christ had divine or angelic flesh, how could it have bled,and shed blood ?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Prax if we are not born,sinners then why do we need to be borned again ?

Because we COMMIT sin. :-)

Do babies go to hell for not being born again when they die? Our problem is sin....we sin. Thats our problem. We inherited that ability from Adam.

Why did the author of Hebrews feel it necessary to say Jesus was tempted in all points, like us, yet without sin?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The human nature did not become sinFUL....lol. It became corrupted and subject to being sinful. Sinful is what happens when we sin. Babies are not sinFUL. They have a fallen sin nature which means they have the ability to be tempted and sin

Again, you are right.

However, the source of his victory over sin and corruption was not found in his DNA or his flesh in any way. He was born with the Holy Ghost WITHOUT MEASURE. He was born with the power to overcome...that is to say without limitation.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

That's the way I see it.

Christ had to overcome sin, being tempted in his natural flesh of the devil. He had to overcome the world with all of its lusts and enticements. In all points like me was he tempted, but where I failed, I am still an overcomer being in him by faith, who overcame.

Exactly.....where we failed he was victorious...it's NOT a real victory otherwise

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Again, you are right.

However, the source of his victory over sin and corruption was not found in his DNA or his flesh in any way. He was born with the Holy Ghost WITHOUT MEASURE. He was born with the power to overcome...that is to say without limitation.

Right, had nothing to do with his DNA

[Scott Hutchinson]

Yes Jesus was made from Mary's humanity ,no probelm.Yes Jesus was tempted and could have sinned ,if He would have chosen too ,but He chose not to.But Jesus Christ was not borned a sinner,nor did He participate in sin.

Originally Posted by rrford

Indeed it was just like Adam's nature. Until Adam sinned and the human nature became sinful. Unless you are advocating a Christ with a sinful nature?

Of course.

What do you think his combat with temptation was all about? In no way was he made unlike me. Full propensity to sin, except that he had the Holy Ghost within Himself without measure.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Because we COMMIT sin. :-)

Do babies go to hell for not being born again when they die? Our problem is sin....we sin. Thats our problem. We inherited that ability from Adam.

Why did the author of Hebrews feel it necessary to say Jesus was tempted in all points, like us, yet without sin?

Perhaps saying sinful nature can be misleading and misinterpreted ... but can we say sin-proned flesh?

How do we reconcile this verse w/ this discussion.

"For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me" (Romans 7:14-17, New Revised Standard Version).

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Of course.

What do you think his combat with temptation was all about? In no way was he made unlike me. Full propensity to sin, except that he had the Holy Ghost within Himself without measure.

Prax disagrees.