Which is it then? This sounds a lot like the evil SWIFT financial transactions and other "mark of the beast" horror stories. It's almost as bad as Ron's "I heard news stories of hospitals dumping people on the street in the US ..."
Yeah, right.
Chris, if the money that I have paid into Social Security had instead been invested in private mutual funds, I would be looking at retiring with millions of dollars. Instead, what I'm looking at is a huge black hole where I won't even get my money back. That's the government's "Universal Retirement Plan." It's bankrupt.
And now you want to give them the reins of our health care as well? Open your Bible, human government is the problem. Socialism is a disease that has failed wherever its been tried. Europe is dying because of it. Human beings are designed to be free. We die when we're locked in cages.
"Universal Health Insurance" is an oxymoron. The "Insurance" will be universal but the "Health" will be reserved for the fat cats. Guys like you and me will become prey to the Benny Hinns of the world because we have no hope of actually seeing a doctor.
Bro, nations with universal health care are healthier than Americans. I've been to countries with universal health care. Have you?
Oh, and I provided links for you to look up medFICO. If you do some research a lot of the medical industry isn't too pleased with it either. And Ron is right, there have been instances of the poor and indigents being dropped off by cabs paid by hospital staff on the street outside clinics in poor neighborhoods. It's not all over the place, but it has happened and still does in some areas.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
Ron, where you at Bro? We spend at least a week in Outlet Ontario during the Summers. We stay in a little cottage belonging to my uncle-in-law on Charleston Lake. Are you near that area?
I live in Vancouver, B.C. about as far west as you can get without going to an island!
My grandparents had a dream about retirement. Because of the failings of the private financial institutions during the Great Depression they placed their hope in a the new government run retirement system called Social Security.
Sure, "social security" was responsible for the deaths of 20 million in the Soviet Union, but hey! We're Americans! We can get the bugs out of the system and our "social security" will be the model that the rest of the world looks to as a shining beacon of hope.
Today, Social Security is a mess. It's neither "social" nor "security." It's just a way for the government to eat up 13% and more of my hard earned wages. And thats on top of all the other taxes I pay.
You happy guys and your "Big Government is the Answer" are going to be responsible for untold human misery and suffering if your "dreams" are ever realized. What component of FDR's "New Deal" ever worked? Nothing. And now you want to expand the program? Sad.
Social Security and a Universal Health Insurance system really function quite differently. The current system in Social Security COULD work if we focused on it and made some much needed changes (changes we most likely would agree upon). But the Republicans have been in control of the show for eight years, and they've done NOTHING to fix the system. Nothing. Now the Democrats, should they set the agenda and we get a Democratic President will have an opportunity to look at the system. If it cannot be fixed, privatizing and investing it properly might work. Here's a policy paper on fixing Social Security:
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
Like I said before, America did so well managing Medicare, Medicaid, etc we sure want them to manage even more......Feed the beast.
Medicare and Medicaid have actually been managed quite well...unless you count what the Republicans have done to it.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
So true, the only thing Social Security secures, is poverty for those who depend on it!
and what do democrats say? changing the system is BAD!. that is what democrats say.
That only shows that you have no idea what the Democratic plan is.
Read the link I provided above and you'll see how the Democratic Leadership Council is considering an approach that will protect those coming into needing Social Security and also change how Social Security works by turning the working class into long-term investers, building capital, and savings.
The Democratic and Republican plans for reform are similar.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
Wow Chris! this is unbeleavable! it only took you 19 words and 4. to come up with 2 wild eyed insane comments!
usually it takes you 15 paragraphs.
im impressed.
Nice personal insult. Our Medicare and Medicaid systems aren't perfect, but they are doing rather well...as long as the Republicans can refrain from cutting them again to fund pork passed for their corporate buddies.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
I live in Vancouver, B.C. about as far west as you can get without going to an island!
Bummer. I was hoping that the next time my family was in Canada we could hook up.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
Social Security and a Universal Health Insurance system really function quite differently. The current system in Social Security COULD work if we focused on it and made some much needed changes (changes we most likely would agree upon). But the Republicans have been in control of the show for eight years, and they've done NOTHING to fix the system. Nothing. Now the Democrats, should they set the agenda and we get a Democratic President will have an opportunity to look at the system. If it cannot be fixed, privatizing and investing it properly might work. Here's a policy paper on fixing Social Security:
Social Security has been in existence for over 70 years. During that time "Republicans have been in control of the show" just briefly from 1994 to 2006.
Remember, all bills involving funds must originate in the House (Article 1, Section 7). And, the only thing the Republicans could do when they were in control of the House was to protect the Social Security fund from the time honored depredations of the Dems by creating the so-called "lock box."
The trust fund millionaires who run the Democratic Party aren't concerned with their retirement funding. Also, members of Government Unions are exempt from the system - that's YOU from what I've read.
Why should I trust YOU to fix something that's been allowed to rob me of 13% of my hard earned wages for the length of my entire life when YOU are the principal beneficiary of this robbery?
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