Same God or different God?

[bbyrd009]

Ha, not sure why that Q seems relevant to me,
but it still does. Kind of sums up the argument, imo.
Personally, I don't really care if someone feels justified
practicing ishtar worship during Passover; that is
between them and God.

[Walks_in_islam]

hmmmmm........your points, as are those of so many of your fellows, are based on a suspect passage.

Let us reflect on this:

Version 1 of the story:

On his journey, as he was nearing Damascus, a light from the sky suddenly flashed around him.c 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?”d 5He said, “Who are you, sir?” The reply came, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.e Now get up and go into the city and you will be told what you must do.”f 7The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, for they heard the voice but could see no one. Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing;* so they led him by the hand and brought him to Damascus.h 9For three days he was unable to see, and he neither ate nor drank.

Version 2 of the story:

And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 8And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. 9And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do

Version 3 of the same story:

At midday, O king, I saw in the way a alight from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick bagainst the pricks. And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have aappeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a bwitness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I asend thee,


All of the travellers heard the voice in Acts 9. Only Paul/Saul heard the voice in Acts 22 The companions fell to the ground in Acts 26. They did not in Acts 9 The voice spelled out Paul's duties in Acts 26. The voice told him to go to Damascus in Acts 9.

So Paul/Saul didnt exactly have his story straight. Next time a passage is referenced to me kindly do not pull a "Saul/Paul" as if I do not know every point of every word from your book. I will re-iterate, Paul/Saul never met Jesus nor did he teach the same things that Jesus taught.

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Nope

Acts9
1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do




Phil 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Rom 9
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

So, the bible teaches that Jesus is God and, He came in the likeness of a man. So, as a man, he obviously prayed to God. He did not stop being the OMNIPRESENT God while he was on earth physically.

[Walks_in_islam]

I am wondering now what "basically saying" means.

All of us exist in the form of God, this is as taught from Adam. None of us, including Jesus in his own words and actions, are equal to God nor exempt from bowing to Him.

The rest of it is a delusional fabrication to make you feel exempt from what IS true and has always been true - in the judgement to come every single man, woman, and child are judged according to their deeds/works and on nothing else. There is nothing more dangerous than divorcine oneself from responsibility for one's required actions to God and to one another.

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Dude, what are you talking about? do you realize the translation you quoted is basically saying Jesus is God?

Let me highlight your OWN translation for you..lol

[Jay]

Not everyone gives all of the same details in a story every time the story is repeated. For instance, when speaking to the king, he would naturally abbreviate part of it due to relevance. There is not any inconsistency beyond what is normative when a person recounts a personal experience. I have read many Islamic works attempting to prove the Bible to be inconsistent, but you only take a few passages of Scripture out of their context to make your point. Thus you can only deceive those who have little knowledge of the Bible or are already weak in their trust of Scripture and Jesus Christ.


This is also my last word of the subject.


Allah of Islam is not the God of Judaism or Christianity. He is another god who is a stranger to those who worship Jesus Christ, Jehovah God revealing Himself in human flesh.

[bbyrd009]

Well, you got the "stranger to those who worship Christ" part right, anyway;
that's condemned by God, YHWH, Allah, and Christ.
We have plenty of Scripture to back up the last one, btw.

Oral taught you this, Jay? I rarely hear it outside of the RCC,
don't remember hearing it in my Apo/Pent days.

You go with "Easter" too?

Really, I guess if your heart is right,
that stuff isn't supposed to matter, but...

[Walks_in_islam]

I put the passages side by side, word for word, and compared them. On what planet are the copied and pasted words from your own book a deception or attempt at deception by me? LOL

You are right in this - there is deception to recount the same story (3) different ways, (2) of which cannot be quite true. Justify it to yourself all you wish. Do not however example the story to me as some sort of life lesson to live by.

Allah is Allah as he was from the time of Adam to today. He and His laws and His expectations of us have not changed.

It is sad to me that inconsistancy in "holy text" is accepted as normative.

Do you to exit / begone as did the dutch moose-man did before you.

Originally Posted by Jay

Not everyone gives all of the same details in a story every time the story is repeated. For instance, when speaking to the king, he would naturally abbreviate part of it due to relevance. There is not any inconsistency beyond what is normative when a person recounts a personal experience. I have read many Islamic works attempting to prove the Bible to be inconsistent, but you only take a few passages of Scripture out of their context to make your point. Thus you can only deceive those who have little knowledge of the Bible or are already weak in their trust of Scripture and Jesus Christ.


This is also my last word of the subject.


Allah of Islam is not the God of Judaism or Christianity. He is another god who is a stranger to those who worship Jesus Christ, Jehovah God revealing Himself in human flesh.