Proof Of Soul Sleep

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

SOUL SLEEP; categorized under subjects that do not matter if they were true or not, except that Paul said absence from his body meant presence with the Lord.

(...ducking and running).

Does not matter? At best it reveals a lack of understanding. At worst it denies the gospel "good news" of Yeshua Messiah.

The good news is that the dead will rise! Not just bodies. THE DEAD THEMSELVES.

[easter]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Does not matter? At best it reveals a lack of understanding. At worst it denies the gospel "good news" of Yeshua Messiah.

The good news is that the dead will rise! Not just bodies. THE DEAD THEMSELVES.

Who is it God brings back with him?

[easter]

Originally Posted by easter

Who is it God brings back with him?

1 Thessalonian 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,even so them also which sleep in Jesus will GOD BRING WITH HIM.

If someone dies and they are dead (BODY AND SPIRIT) and in the ground(THE GRAVE),awaiting the great resurrection,awaiting to get their glorified body,awaiting to pop out of their grave fully alive after soul-sleeping.

THEN WHO DO YOU SUPPOSE IT COULD POSSIBLY BE THAT GOD BRINGS WITH HIM?
Angels???
DEAD People???
Sleeping people???

[DerechHashem]

Originally Posted by easter

So you think Jerusalem has 24 hour days?Not during the time of Jesus!

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not TWELVE HOURS in a day?If any man walk in the day,he stumbleth not,because he seeth the light of the world.

Before making statements that Jewish people do not have 12 hour days,study Jewish history.

12 hrs in a day + 12 hrs in a eve = 24 hrs

Jewish days were evening to evening, Romans days are morning to morning. Ask anyone.

[DerechHashem]

Originally Posted by easter

These long winded post do become tiresome.I like to keep it short and to the point.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

I have yet to have a soul-sleeping doctrine believing individual to explain this verse.They will pull out all stops and twist scripture or just slice scripture up and piece it back together to make it fit the theory of soul-sleep.Never mind the parts they leave out.These parts don't fit the ideal of soul-sleep so in order to justify the missing scripture they make excuse that it's man's error.

So I do wonder how you'll slice and dice this verse up,or explain it?

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Yes at the resurrection. Even as Christ was resurrected, so will you be resurrected.

Simple enough.

See I Corinthians 15:51-53, TLB. "But I am telling you this strange and wonderful secret: we shall not all die, but we shall all be given new bodies! It will all happen in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For there will be a trumpet blast from the sky, and all the Christians who have died will suddenly become alive, with new bodies that will never, never die; and then we who are still alive shall suddenly have new bodies too. For our earthly bodies, the ones we have now that can die, must be transformed into heavenly bodies that cannot perish but will live forever."

I Corinthians 15:12-14, NIV. "But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

Revelation 22:12, NIV. "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done."

[DerechHashem]

Originally Posted by easter

Hey Brother Blume!
Your right and these discussions don't edify no one.
Absence from the body,present with the Lord

Then why are you in the discussion?

[easter]

Originally Posted by DerechHashem

12 hrs in a day + 12 hrs in a eve = 24 hrs

Jewish days were evening to evening, Romans days are morning to morning. Ask anyone.

Whatever

[easter]

Originally Posted by DerechHashem

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Yes at the resurrection. Even as Christ was resurrected, so will you be resurrected.

Simple enough.

See I Corinthians 15:51-53, TLB. "But I am telling you this strange and wonderful secret: we shall not all die, but we shall all be given new bodies! It will all happen in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For there will be a trumpet blast from the sky, and all the Christians who have died will suddenly become alive, with new bodies that will never, never die; and then we who are still alive shall suddenly have new bodies too. For our earthly bodies, the ones we have now that can die, must be transformed into heavenly bodies that cannot perish but will live forever."

I Corinthians 15:12-14, NIV. "But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

Revelation 22:12, NIV. "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done."

yeah well this still don't tell me who it is that God brings with him.
Do you know who it is that god brings with him?

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by easter

The saints walking the streets of Jerusalem are in Paradise awaiting the day the Father says"Son go get your bride" and on that day in a twinkling of an eye,these old testament saints will receive their glorified bodies.

While I agree with your conclusion that at the coming of our Lord at the end of this age to receive His bride, the church, at which time all of the souls of the OT saints who were resurrected and accompanied Him to His throne in the heavens after His resurrection, I do not agree with the assertion that these same saints were seen "walking the streets of Jerusalem" after being resurrected will receive their eternal glorified bodies, I must disagree with your statement concerning this matter for at least these 2 reasons:

1. It cannot be found written in the scriptural record that the "holy city" mentioned in Matthew 27:51-52 is referring to the earthly city of Jersualem, and

2. There is nothing to be found in the scriptures which would assert or even remotely suggest that the city of Jerusalem could be considered as a "holy city" during our Lord's physical presence there. In fact, IMHO, it was anything but that.

Just my personal thoughts on the matter for what they might be worth.

[easter]

Originally Posted by Lafon

While I agree with your conclusion that at the coming of our Lord at the end of this age to receive His bride, the church, at which time all of the souls of the OT saints who were resurrected and accompanied Him to His throne in the heavens after His resurrection, I do not agree with the assertion that these same saints were seen "walking the streets of Jerusalem" after being resurrected will receive their eternal glorified bodies, I must disagree with your statement concerning this matter for at least these 2 reasons:

1. It cannot be found written in the scriptural record that the "holy city" mentioned in Matthew 27:51-52 is referring to the earthly city of Jerusalem, and

2. There is nothing to be found in the scriptures which would assert or even remotely suggest that the city of Jerusalem could be considered as a "holy city" during our Lord's physical presence there. In fact, IMHO, it was anything but that.

Just my personal thoughts on the matter for what they might be worth.

TEMPLE MOUNT DOME OF THE ROCK

Genesis 4:10 Abraham interacts with Melchizedek

Genesis 22:1-19 The binding of Isaac took place on the temple mount

Mount Moriah(EVEN SHTIYAH) DRINKING STONE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE

Genesis 28:10-22 Jacobs dream of ladder to Heaven takes place here

JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE ASSOCIATED MT.MORIAH TEMPLE MOUNT,DOME OF THE ROCK as having GOD"S VERY PRESENCES>THERFORE HOLY.

Jerusalem was called the Holy City that is why the Temple of Solomon was built on TEMPLE Mt.
That is why all Jews made their way to Jerusalem for passover.