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11-14-2008, 10:53 AM
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Re: Did God ever command or desire praise or worsh
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I don't see the flood for 40 days or 150 days.I see it rained for 40 days from ,7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
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The rain was for the purpose of the flood, so the term used is flood.
There is no contradiction when you follow the text right.
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11-14-2008, 02:51 PM
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Re: Did God ever command or desire praise or worsh
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The rain was for the purpose of the flood, so the term used is flood.
There is no contradiction when you follow the text right.
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The flood was for about 246 days to 365 + days yes including the 40 days it rained.
What do you say about this ? It says first Noah and the beasts got on the ark in 7 days.Then it says they all got on the day the flood started.When did they get on ?
Next question,It says it rained 40 days but then says the water continued to rise an other 15 cubits.How did the water rise an other 15 cubits after the rain stoped ?
1And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
6And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
7And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
10And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
11In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
13In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
17And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
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11-14-2008, 08:01 PM
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Re: Did God ever command or desire praise or worsh
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Originally Posted by Joelel
I think i'll stick with the KJV.It has different meaning then yours.Tell me what one should people believe to be true ?
I see it rained for 40 days,not flooded.It flooded for some where about 246 days to a little over 365 days.
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That is your problem Joel, you don't have a clue what the KJV says. You don't have the reading skills
What do you think a flood is? Good grief. When the Mississippi river floods it is due to rain. The earth was being FLOODED with WATER for 40 days...by rain and other sources. Then it took more time AFTER the rain stopped for those waters to recede
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11-14-2008, 08:01 PM
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Re: Did God ever command or desire praise or worsh
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Pl-ease,people fight every day about how long the flood was.Thought I would see what the Apostolic say.
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People also kill and rob every day. The bible is clear but it takes a little higher skill to do.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-15-2008, 11:35 AM
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Re: Did God ever command or desire praise or worsh
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That is your problem Joel, you don't have a clue what the KJV says. You don't have the reading skills
What do you think a flood is? Good grief. When the Mississippi river floods it is due to rain. The earth was being FLOODED with WATER for 40 days...by rain and other sources. Then it took more time AFTER the rain stopped for those waters to recede
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No I don't have a problem.I know what is true and what is not,my father teaches me,not man.You tell me,how long does it have to rain before the mississippi or the earth would flood ? Maybe I should ask you the question you ask me,do you know what a flood is ?
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11-15-2008, 11:45 AM
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11-15-2008, 11:46 AM
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Re: Did God ever command or desire praise or worsh
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Originally Posted by Joelel
No I don't have a problem.I know what is true and what is not,my father teaches me,not man.You tell me,how long does it have to rain before the mississippi or the earth would flood ? Maybe I should ask you the question you ask me,do you know what a flood is ?
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So, what did "your father" tell you about the flood?
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11-15-2008, 01:32 PM
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Re: Did God ever command or desire praise or worsh
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
So, what did "your father" tell you about the flood?
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I don't see how anyone can believe a creator with his love would create people with a will and then turn around and destroy them because they don't do what he wants.Do you think the creator did this ?
5: And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6: And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7: And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
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11-15-2008, 04:20 PM
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Re: Did God ever command or desire praise or worsh
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Originally Posted by Joelel
No I don't have a problem.I know what is true and what is not,my father teaches me,not man.You tell me,how long does it have to rain before the mississippi or the earth would flood ? Maybe I should ask you the question you ask me,do you know what a flood is ?
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That is again the problem. God is not teaching you. First of all you have to know how to read. That's not God's area. That is your responsibility.
Second you are clearly clearly trying to argue from what the bible SAYS....you are not simply stating "God told me so, he whispered in my ear that this is wrong"...thus since YOU introduced the concept to begin with that is what we are working with...grammar, english...communication. God says "my people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge"...they had LOST the word of God...the written word. If you were correct, they, nor the NT church today even NEEDS the written word Joel! Yet you clearly think some of the written word is true, for you quote it as an argument in your favor. Why even give us the written word then?
Next, Joel, you are NOT the only person on the planet that claims to be filled with the Spirit or hear from God. You have no credibility. You can say this or that all you want and you know nobody is going to just hand their brain over to you...thus you tried to make an argument using english words. But IF you had a better comprehension of english and critical thinking, you would probably see our point. No I am not saying because you don't see our point you don't understand english...quite the contary. You just revealed to us your basis of rejecting these verses has nothing to do with learning or understanding grammar but rather you received a direct revelation from God.
Well the grammar shows that you did NOT receive a direct revelation from God. But this is like arguing with a rock...you are admitting you don't NEED to understand grammar or critical thinking here by what you just posted. So nothing anyone can show you matters....sad.
Pro 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but he who listens to advice is wise.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-15-2008, 04:25 PM
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Re: Did God ever command or desire praise or worsh
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Originally Posted by Joelel
No I don't have a problem.I know what is true and what is not,my father teaches me,not man.You tell me,how long does it have to rain before the mississippi or the earth would flood ? Maybe I should ask you the question you ask me,do you know what a flood is ?
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a great flowing or overflowing of water, esp. over land not usually submerged.
That is from www.dictionary.com
For 40 days Joel...40 Days there was a great FLOWING or OVERFLOWING of Water to the point that it covered everything...how did that happen?
Two things occured, the fountains of the great deep (probably waters underground or somehow the ocean rose significantly...something scientists are predicting now for global warming)
And RAIN...for 40 days.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, in this day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of the heavens were opened up.
Gen 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
It STOPPED after 40 days.
Then until the 150th day the waters were still covering the land slowly receding as is what usually happens in a flood. Look Katrina and NO...it was covered in water for many days long AFTER Katrina blew by
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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