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DividedThigh · #**161** 04-30-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

It is amazing how you have friend with exact situations that have recently been in the news.

Funny. Barak Obama was talking about Julie just last week.

dont say it, say it isnt so, lol,dt

ChristopherHall · #**162** 04-30-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i for one am not trying to keep any body from getting healthcare, i along with my company pay over 1000 a month for myself, my wife and my youngest daughter, just try to be more sensitive, you are speaking to the wrong people when you make such insensitive statements, just an admonishment in love from an old man, dt

Since when have we worried about being "insensitive" when confronting a moral tragedy?

I'd rather be insensitive than fail to remember those who lay dying in the shadows of our harvest. I believe wealth is a test...as a nation and a people we can hoard it...or we can use it to care for "the least of these". There are 50 million uninsured, nearly 18,000 die every year from treatable conditions because they don't have insurance, 140 million are under-insured or denied coverage for chronic and often life threatening conditions. Failing to do what needs to be done to help these Americans because it might raise taxes a little is rather...insensitive.

You pay nearly a $1,000 a month....when you could pay an $80 negotiated premium and an extra tax of $110 in a single payer system instead? Please note...in a single payer system businesses aren't burdened to provide insurance and everyone contributes something toward their insurance. Bro...you're choosing to give away $810 every month, a third of which only goes to administrative purposes. That doesn't upset you?

ChristopherHall · #**163** 04-30-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

It is amazing how you have friend with exact situations that have recently been in the news.

Funny. Barak Obama was talking about Julie just last week.

There are millions of Americans in her situation. I'm sure you know a few too. Isn't it amazing how someone can so quickly try to discount the gravety of the situation?

DividedThigh · #**164** 04-30-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Since when have we worried about being "insensitive" when confronting a moral tragedy?

I'd rather be insensitive than fail to remember those who lay dying in the shadows of our harvest. I believe wealth is a test...as a nation and a people we can hoard it...or we can use it to care for "the least of these". There are 50 million uninsured, nearly 18,000 die every year from treatable conditions because they don't have insurance, 140 million are under-insured or denied coverage for chronic and often life threatening conditions. Failing to do what needs to be done to help these Americans because it might raise taxes a little is rather...insensitive.

You pay nearly a $1,000 a month....when you could pay an $80 negotiated premium and an extra tax of $110 in a single payer system instead? Please note...in a single payer system businesses aren't burdened to provide insurance and everyone contributes something toward their insurance. Bro...you're choosing to give away $810 every month, a third of which only goes to administrative purposes. That doesn't upset you?

you know something chris, i cant help you, lord knows i tried, you just keep living in that little world you do and hope the govt helps you, i dont depend on the govt, and i willnever do that, have a nice life, dt

ChristopherHall · #**165** 04-30-2008, 02:16 PM

I think many of us won’t choose to care enough until the powers of greed begin to undermine our own family’s survival. It’s like we don’t care about “them” … what we fail to realize is that we’re next.

http://republicansforsinglepayer.com/

http://www.pnhp.org/

ChristopherHall · #**166** 04-30-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

you know something chris, i cant help you, lord knows i tried, you just keep living in that little world you do and hope the govt helps you, i dont depend on the govt, and i willnever do that, have a nice life, dt

I don't hope the Government helps me...I believe in preaching a national morality. Sick people have a right to live without being denied life saving care.

Forget welfare. We're talking health care.

ChristopherHall · #**167** 04-30-2008, 02:26 PM

All this in the shadows of these record fuel costs and record profits. Don’t you see that it is this sort of injustice that creates revolutionary backlash and fuels communism? You’ll never convince human beings that they should just die because they don’t have money. The problem is that the powers that be have defined universal health insurance ideas as though they are welfare. Welfare is often unnecessary. Good hard work is what is needed and most can learn to survive. But when it comes to health care…that’s a matter of life and death.

Answer this one question….

Does a person suffering with cancer have a “right” to life saving treatments? Or do you advocate a utilitarian society where people are only worth the amount of money they can pay? A society where the value of life is measured in cold hard $$$?

vrblackwell · #**168** 04-30-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I work for the government and already reviewed it. Can you show me where they will raise my taxes?

Obama wants to double income taxes.

How do you think they would fund their socialized hospitalization they are wanting?

vrblackwell · #**169** 04-30-2008, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Wouldn't effect my taxes. Technically it wouldn't be a tax hike...it would be returning to the previous tax level where they paid their fair share. You and I are paying a greater percentage of our income than they are.

It would be a tax increase.

I can see by this post that you are a socialist. It is your kind of thinking that will be the destruction of this country. You want to penalize people because they have worked hard and have done well. You want wealth redistribution. That is pathetic. That goes against the very principles that made this country so great.

vrblackwell · #**170** 04-30-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

All this in the shadows of these record fuel costs and record profits. Don’t you see that it is this sort of injustice that creates revolutionary backlash and fuels communism? You’ll never convince human beings that they should just die because they don’t have money. The problem is that the powers that be have defined universal health insurance ideas as though they are welfare. Welfare is often unnecessary. Good hard work is what is needed and most can learn to survive. But when it comes to health care…that’s a matter of life and death.

Answer this one question….

Does a person suffering with cancer have a “right” to life saving treatments? Or do you advocate a utilitarian society where people are only worth the amount of money they can pay? A society where the value of life is measured in cold hard $$$?

I am 36 years old. I have not had health care since I left my parents home. Why, because i cannot afford it. However, I have never been refused care.

It is my responsibility to get health care, not the governments to get it for me. Health care is not a right. It is a service that cost.

Now that I am older I have seen the need to have health coverage over the last couple of years. I have reset my priorities and have made changes in my life in order to get coverage. by the end of this year I will be able to have it.

Anyone else can do the same. It's all about personal responsibility.