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[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Joelel

I can see how a ark might get stuck on a mountain top before land was seen.

Now can any one answer this.How long was the flood on the earth "

Genesis 7:17
And the flood was forty days upon the earth.

You did not quote all the verse. The last part of the verse explains that when the waters were 40 days the ark was lifted up. That does not mean the flood was only 40 days on the earth. It's just that it took that long before the ark rose off the ground.

Genesis 7:17 KJV And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

Genesis 7:24
And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

From the start of the flood til the ark arose was 40 days. The 150 days includes these 40 days.

Genesis 8:3
And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the one hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

This is the same as 7:24. The 150 days speaks of the flood from start until it started to abate.

That makes six months and ten days from start of the flood until the waters began to recede.

Once the waters began to abate, the ark came to land on the Mount Ararat in the Seventh month. So, 6 months and ten days brings us 37 days away from the time the ark stopped floating and landed on Ararat -- which was 7 months and 17 days.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Joelel

I can see how a ark might get stuck on a mountain top before land was seen.

Now can any one answer this.How long was the flood on the earth "

Genesis 7:17
And the flood was forty days upon the earth.

Genesis 7:24
And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 8:3
And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the one hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

Joel...do you know what a flood is?

For 40 DAYS the earth was being flooded.

It took 150 DAYS for the waters to receed or to completely dry up.

Joel, just use your brain. Try an easier translation maybe and read in context.

What happened first? THE FLOOD. HOW long was the earth being flooded? 40 days

Gen 7:12 And the rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
Gen 7:13 On that very day Noah entered the ark, accompanied by his sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, along with his wife and his sons' three wives.
Gen 7:14 They entered, along with every living creature after its kind, every animal after its kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, everything with wings.
Gen 7:15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life came into the ark to Noah.
Gen 7:16 Those that entered were male and female, just as God commanded him. Then the Lord shut him in.
Gen 7:17 The flood engulfed the earth for forty days. As the waters increased, they lifted the ark and raised it above the earth.
Gen 7:18 The waters completely overwhelmed the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the waters.
Gen 7:19 The waters completely inundated the earth so that even all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered.
Gen 7:20 The waters rose more than twenty feet above the mountains.
Gen 7:21 And all living things that moved on the earth died, including the birds, domestic animals, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.
Gen 7:22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.
Gen 7:23 So the Lord destroyed every living thing that was on the surface of the ground, including people, animals, creatures that creep along the ground, and birds of the sky. They were wiped off the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark survived.
Gen 7:24 The waters prevailed over the earth for one hundred and fifty days.

Notice, the waters INCREASED? That means the flood was continuing for 40 days...it continued to rain and whatever else happened to make the waters INCREASE....

Two events. The flooding. The Abating. It took 40 days to FLOOD the earth. It took 150 days before the waters completely abated

[Praxeas]

Joel this is really sad. You quote anti bible websites here, yet you claim to not only a Christian but portray yourself as some sort of super spiritual person and yet we have shown how your "contradictions" were NOT contradictions. It seems like want the bible to be false. Im not going to go through each and every one of your so called proof texts when it is apparent you aren't here to get help but to try to undermine the authority of the word

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Is God merciful ? Is God cruel, unmerciful, and evil ? Can he be both good and evil,both merciful and unmerciful ? Can he be both cruel and kind ? Can he be love and be curel ?

God is kind, merciful, and good.

Exodus 34:6
The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth.

Deuteronomy 4:31
For the Lord thy God is a merciful God.

2 Samuel 24:14
Let us fall now into the hand of the LORD; for his mercies are great.

1 Chronicles 16:34; Psalm 106:1, 107:1, 118:1, 136:1; Jeremiah 33:11
O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good; for his mercy endureth forever.

Psalm 25:8
Good and upright is the Lord.

Psalm 86:5
For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee.
Psalm 100:5
For the Lord is good, his mercy is everlasting.

Psalm 103:8
The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

Psalm 145:9
The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works.

Jeremaih 3:12
I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.

Lamentations 3:33
;For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.

Joel 2:13
For he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness.

Micah 7:18
Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

2 Corinthians 1:3
Blessed be God ... the Father of mercies.

James 5:11
For the Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy.

1 John 4:16
God is love.

God is cruel, unmerciful, and evil.

Exodus 34:6-7
The Lord God ... visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Numbers 25:4
And the Lord said to Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun, that the fierce anger of the Lord may be turned away from Israel.

Deuteronomy 7:16
And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pit upon them.

1 Samuel 6:19
Because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand, and three score and ten men.
1 Samuel 15:2-3
Now go an smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.

Lamentation 2:2
The LORD hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob, and hath not pitied.

Lamentations 2:17
The LORD hath done that which he had devised.... He hath thrown down, and hath not pitied.

Lamentations 3:43
Thou hast slain, thou hast not pitied.

Jeremiah 13:14
I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy.

Jeremaih 16:3-7
For thus saith the LORD concerning the sons and concerning the daughters that are born in this place, and concerning their mothers that bare them, and concerning their fathers that begat them in this land; They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcases shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth. For thus saith the LORD, Enter not into the house of mourning, neither go to lament nor bemoan them: for I have taken away my peace from this people, saith the LORD, even lovingkindness and mercies. Both the great and the small shall die in this land: they shall not be buried, neither shall men lament for them, nor cut themselves, nor make themselves bald for them: Neither shall men tear themselves for them in mourning, to comfort them for the dead; neither shall men give them the cup of consolation to drink for their father or for their mother.

Ezekiel 7:4, 9
And mine eye shall not spare thee, neither will I have pity.

Ezekiel 9:5-6
Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women.

Micah 1:12
But evil came down from the LORD unto the gate of Jerusalem.

Joelel makes it seem that these questions are original with him. Any decent book on biblical difficulties will cover these subjects......and if Joelel took a legit theology class that would help too.

There have been skeptics since the begining. The problem is that Joelel has a different set of presuppositions he brings to the scripture. All his questions could be answererd and he'd still not believe.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Well you know I started off asking questions but no one answered.I'll go back to just asking.You posted,We welcome and encourage visitors of other faiths to post and ask sincere questions in their honest search to learn more of our faith.

Joel, as i said before, I answered you. The problem is you are not or were not asking sincere and honest questions BUT you asserted that the bible was not true or not all true, then you began to post other "proofs".

See there is a difference between coming here and asking for help in understanding the word or certain hard sayings of the bible and another in coming here and attempting to undermine the authority of the bible

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Joelel makes it seem that these questions are original with him. Any decent book on biblical difficulties will cover these subjects......and if Joelel took a legit theology class that would help too.

There have been skeptics since the begining. The problem is that Joelel has a different set of presuppositions he brings to the scripture. All his questions could be answererd and he'd still not believe.

Exactly!

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You did not quote all the verse. The last part of the verse explains that when the waters were 40 days the ark was lifted up. That does not mean the flood was only 40 days on the earth. It's just that it took that long before the ark rose off the ground.

Genesis 7:17 KJV And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.



From the start of the flood til the ark arose was 40 days. The 150 days includes these 40 days.



This is the same as 7:24. The 150 days speaks of the flood from start until it started to abate.

That makes six months and ten days from start of the flood until the waters began to recede.

Once the waters began to abate, the ark came to land on the Mount Ararat in the Seventh month. So, 6 months and ten days brings us 37 days away from the time the ark stopped floating and landed on Ararat -- which was 7 months and 17 days.

I don't see the flood for 40 days or 150 days.I see it rained for 40 days from ,7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

To

7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

I see this 40 days included in the 150 days from,7 : 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

To


8:4And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Then I see an other 75 days from,8:4And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

To


8:5And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.


Then after the mountain tops are seen we have,What ? an other 40 days untill Noah starts looking for dry land,or maybe this 40 days is included in the last 40 days of the 150 days.8: 6And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:

Then it took 21 days,7 days three times to find the land dry,8: 7And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.

8Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;

9But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

10And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;

11And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

12And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.

13And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.

So we have from,7:11In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.


To


13And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
8:14And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.


So we have from 600/2/17 to 601/1/1 or 601/2/27 the land was flooded.So that is,the flood was a few days less then a year or a few days more.Around 365 days.I added up 150,75,40,and 21 days and came up with 286 days of the flood or if the 40 days is in the last part of the 150 it would be a flood for 246 days.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Joel...do you know what a flood is?

For 40 DAYS the earth was being flooded.

It took 150 DAYS for the waters to receed or to completely dry up.

Joel, just use your brain. Try an easier translation maybe and read in context.

What happened first? THE FLOOD. HOW long was the earth being flooded? 40 days

Gen 7:12 And the rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
Gen 7:13 On that very day Noah entered the ark, accompanied by his sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, along with his wife and his sons' three wives.
Gen 7:14 They entered, along with every living creature after its kind, every animal after its kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, everything with wings.
Gen 7:15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life came into the ark to Noah.
Gen 7:16 Those that entered were male and female, just as God commanded him. Then the Lord shut him in.
Gen 7:17 The flood engulfed the earth for forty days. As the waters increased, they lifted the ark and raised it above the earth.
Gen 7:18 The waters completely overwhelmed the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the waters.
Gen 7:19 The waters completely inundated the earth so that even all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered.
Gen 7:20 The waters rose more than twenty feet above the mountains.
Gen 7:21 And all living things that moved on the earth died, including the birds, domestic animals, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.
Gen 7:22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.
Gen 7:23 So the Lord destroyed every living thing that was on the surface of the ground, including people, animals, creatures that creep along the ground, and birds of the sky. They were wiped off the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark survived.
Gen 7:24 The waters prevailed over the earth for one hundred and fifty days.

Notice, the waters INCREASED? That means the flood was continuing for 40 days...it continued to rain and whatever else happened to make the waters INCREASE....

Two events. The flooding. The Abating. It took 40 days to FLOOD the earth. It took 150 days before the waters completely abated

I think i'll stick with the KJV.It has different meaning then yours.Tell me what one should people believe to be true ?

I see it rained for 40 days,not flooded.It flooded for some where about 246 days to a little over 365 days.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Joel this is really sad. You quote anti bible websites here, yet you claim to not only a Christian but portray yourself as some sort of super spiritual person and yet we have shown how your "contradictions" were NOT contradictions. It seems like want the bible to be false. Im not going to go through each and every one of your so called proof texts when it is apparent you aren't here to get help but to try to undermine the authority of the word

Pl-ease,people fight every day about how long the flood was.Thought I would see what the Apostolic say.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Joelel makes it seem that these questions are original with him. Any decent book on biblical difficulties will cover these subjects......and if Joelel took a legit theology class that would help too.

There have been skeptics since the begining. The problem is that Joelel has a different set of presuppositions he brings to the scripture. All his questions could be answererd and he'd still not believe.

Oh,is that the answer to my question ? The question was,Is God merciful ? Is God cruel, unmerciful, and evil ? Can he be both good and evil,both merciful and unmerciful ? Can he be both cruel and kind ? Can he be love and be curel ?