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Old 05-23-2008, 02:03 PM
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I think you’re paranoid. I don’t think it’s right for the state to ban tobacco use either.

Here’s a thought that might blow your mind…I personally don’t believe businesses should be involved in the provision of health insurance at all. Why make businesses responsible for that kind of expense??? My personal view is that everyone should pay into a single payer national health insurance program where insurance premiums are negotiated with private insurers and supplemented by the tax revenues paid into the system pay those who benefit from it. Everyone should have to pay something toward their health insurance. Right now if I didn’t have insurance I could go to the ER and get treatment. They would bill me. I could simply refuse to pay. Now, consider that there are over 10 million or more of me…that would fuel the rise in health care cost as providers increased costs to cover the loss. As health care costs rise…insurers have to raise premiums to cover those costs. Now YOU the business owner is found stuck paying more or handing more of that cost to the backs of your hard working employees. I say take you and your business out of the equation and let you focus on business. Negotiate rates with companies and then have everyone pay a lower negotiated premium and taxes into the system so all are covered. As providers are actually paid in a timely manner the cost of healthcare would drop exponentially. Not to mention a national medical records database would reduce health care costs 30%.

National health insurance would make health insurance an issue between the voters and their elected representatives. As a business man…you don’t even have to worry about nothing but business.
i am sorry. i got to the end of your first comment... which was a rude personal attack and decided to not read this.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:04 PM
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I think you’re paranoid. I don’t think it’s right for the state to ban tobacco use either.

Here’s a thought that might blow your mind…I personally don’t believe businesses should be involved in the provision of health insurance at all. Why make businesses responsible for that kind of expense??? My personal view is that everyone should pay into a single payer national health insurance program where insurance premiums are negotiated with private insurers and supplemented by the tax revenues paid into the system pay those who benefit from it. Everyone should have to pay something toward their health insurance. Right now if I didn’t have insurance I could go to the ER and get treatment. They would bill me. I could simply refuse to pay. Now, consider that there are over 10 million or more of me…that would fuel the rise in health care cost as providers increased costs to cover the loss. As health care costs rise…insurers have to raise premiums to cover those costs. Now YOU the business owner is found stuck paying more or handing more of that cost to the backs of your hard working employees. I say take you and your business out of the equation and let you focus on business. Negotiate rates with companies and then have everyone pay a lower negotiated premium and taxes into the system so all are covered. As providers are actually paid in a timely manner the cost of healthcare would drop exponentially. Not to mention a national medical records database would reduce health care costs 30%.

National health insurance would make health insurance an issue between the voters and their elected representatives. As a business man…you don’t even have to worry about nothing but business.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Part of a successful business model is having the ability to hire and retain quality people. You are missing the whole point of employer paid health insurance, it is not an entitlement, it is a benefit.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:06 PM
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I'm a "looser" for disagreeing....

You make a great example of what a Conservative truly is.
No sir. you are not a loser. Managment clairfied that.

and it was Antipas anyway not grasshopper...

as for disagreeing.... well now there is disagreeing and then there is the lack of reading comprehension.

sometimes I think some folk (see above) comprehend like I spell.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Part of a successful business model is having the ability to hire and retain quality people. You are missing the whole point of employer paid health insurance, it is not an entitlement, it is a benefit.
you read that? did you take a shower?
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:10 PM
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I think Democrats (includes liberals) are pretty stupid. They stand up and scream on their soapbox of the rich not paying their fair share, and they end up hitting the middle class square in the mouth.

After all, when taxes go UP for the small business owner, the middle and lower classes lose their jobs...then the liberals vote for tax increases in order for social programs to take care of the people those evil rich business owners fired.

Plain and simple, political, fiscal, and social Liberals are morons.
Now anyone who doesn’t agree with the conservative mantra are “stupid” and “morons”.

Here’s the deal…small business owners should receive hearty tax benefits. But right now larger corporations have more breaks than the small business owner. They get massive tax shelters and even have attorneys that lobby for personal loopholes in the laws or seek to find those currently existing. A corporation can send dozens of lobbyists to Washington to protect THEIR interests and to get preferential tax treatment….the small business owner can’t and just struggles to survive. In fact as corporations get more and more tax shelters and options to dodge taxes…they tax burden to fund the government falls on the small business owner. As the small business owner struggles to survive the corporations poise themselves to put him out of business. The shark devours the seal.

Democrats focus on small business owners and the working class. Republicans are in bed with massive multinational corporations.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:11 PM
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i am sorry. i got to the end of your first comment... which was a rude personal attack and decided to not read this.
Let's make a deal...I'll be a looser and you can be paranoid.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:15 PM
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Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Part of a successful business model is having the ability to hire and retain quality people. You are missing the whole point of employer paid health insurance, it is not an entitlement, it is a benefit.
When 140 million have less than adequate insurance to pay for medical procedures they need and 18,000 die every year from treatable conditions because they have no health insurance...I think there's more at stake than your profit margins.

Any national system would be very basic. Employers could compete by offering smaller plans to cover elective procedures. For example a national plan wouldn't cover breast enlargments or plastic surgery....an employer could offer a supplimental plans that would these elective things.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:17 PM
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No sir. you are not a loser. Managment clairfied that.

and it was Antipas anyway not grasshopper...

as for disagreeing.... well now there is disagreeing and then there is the lack of reading comprehension.

sometimes I think some folk (see above) comprehend like I spell.
Ok, sometimes I read something quickly and miss it. But here's a question...you're a Christian, why call anyone a "looser"? As a conservative do you give an oath to be nasty in some arcane neo-con ritual meeting during the full moon?
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:19 PM
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Now anyone who doesn’t agree with the conservative mantra are “stupid” and “morons”.

Here’s the deal…small business owners should receive hearty tax benefits. But right now larger corporations have more breaks than the small business owner. They get massive tax shelters and even have attorneys that lobby for personal loopholes in the laws or seek to find those currently existing. A corporation can send dozens of lobbyists to Washington to protect THEIR interests and to get preferential tax treatment….the small business owner can’t and just struggles to survive. In fact as corporations get more and more tax shelters and options to dodge taxes…they tax burden to fund the government falls on the small business owner. As the small business owner struggles to survive the corporations poise themselves to put him out of business. The shark devours the seal.

Democrats focus on small business owners and the working class. Republicans are in bed with massive multinational corporations.
Read it again skippy, I never said anything about Republicans working in a vacuum, I could have been advocating libertarianism.

You are wrong again, you are only supposing that democrats shelter small business. Take a look at State governments that have a democrat majority the MAJORITY of their legislation advocates social programs and they put the screws to ALL business. State needs more employees? Raise the taxes across the board for ALL companies regardless of size.

How many small businesses do you own there black-liquid spitter? I can feel something poking me in the Levi Tag of my Jeans every month and it is my friendly local liberal democrat who hates me because I am trying to step up and provide jobs.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:22 PM
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When 140 million have less than adequate insurance to pay for medical procedures they need and 18,000 die every year from treatable conditions because they have no health insurance...I think there's more at stake than your profit margins.

Any national system would be very basic. Employers could compete by offering smaller plans to cover elective procedures. For example a national plan wouldn't cover breast enlargments or plastic surgery....an employer could offer a supplimental plans that would these elective things.
when you use the words National system, it causes me to laugh especially when I consider the efficiency of other divisions of Government, and you want them to handle health care?

I am not saying there is not a health care crisis, I am IN health care. However, I am not willing to pay higher taxes across the board because someone either refuses to work or use birth control.
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