I seriously doubt there's anyone around here that would even know that info Cindy.
Me too, but I don't think we can do anything but speculate.
Changing the subject.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
The Bible makes it clear it is morally wrong. Your opinion doesn't help the situation. Scripture after scripture has been posted why this thread isn't Christlike.
But it is NOT for YOU or anyone here that is not a mod to say that this topic should not be discussed!
Your opinion and posting that you think people should be SILENCED, is quite disturbing. I could care less if you like my opinion or not.
You and your attitude are not helping the situation either.
Again, if you do not like what is being posted.... DON'T READ IT! No one is breaking your arm and making you read this.
Okay, people. Let's not get into arguing about this. As long as we don't get personal or disregard the rules of the forum, all are welcome to post on this forum.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Well, in actuality, a non-profit organization is supposed to make their books public. You can find out the salaries of CEOs and leaders of non profits anywhere from the American Red Cross to the United Way. I have a problem with churches that want to be categorized with such entities but then won't conduct their finances in the same way. It's actually required by law. So what Barry is asking is not beyond the pail. And Barry is correct in stating that since the church finances were veiled in such secrecy it's not unreasonable to try find out information that should be made freely and openly on the Internet. There have been several members of this church who have found out more on this thread than has been revealed. When people act like they have something to hide, that means they probably have something to hide.
Don't let folks intimidate you off of here Barry.
Seriously there are ways and means of getting information like this to those who have a right to the information. If Barry or any other has a financial stake here, they have recourse. I fully understand the legal requirements.
Internet forums where information sources cannot be verified are not actual sources of information so much as they are the lifeblood of hurt.
If this was about Mr. Black alone then I would be fine with a free-for-all. As painful as it may be for him, he is reaping his own whirlwind.
The problem is this is no longer about Mr. Black. It is about a lot of other people who are innocent bystanders who are now caught in the crossfire.
Not one life has been turned upside down. MANY have been. Maybe our friend Berry is one of them. But forums with 147 pages of rehash do not heal people.
And everything said on the internet is part of your permanent record. It will be here until the sun melts the computer highway. Hurt people often speak out from their pain and anger and those are not good wellsprings for action!
What we say with our mouths most often evaporates into the either. But what we say with the tips of our fingers sticks for all to see into eternity and any reasonable person who reads and knows and can be hurt will be able to identify even the most careful anonymous person.
So my friend you may be mad at me and bluster and call for the berries of the world to “lay on” and all that, but you do no one good. And even in the end, you and all the other berries on the bush will not have assuaged your indignation.
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Okay, people. Let's not get into arguing about this. As long as we don't get personal or disregard the rules of the forum, all are welcome to post on this forum.
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Well, in actuality, a non-profit organization is supposed to make their books public. You can find out the salaries of CEOs and leaders of non profits anywhere from the American Red Cross to the United Way. I have a problem with churches that want to be categorized with such entities but then won't conduct their finances in the same way. It's actually required by law. So what Barry is asking is not beyond the pail. And Barry is correct in stating that since the church finances were veiled in such secrecy it's not unreasonable to try find out information that should be made freely and openly on the Internet. There have been several members of this church who have found out more on this thread than has been revealed. When people act like they have something to hide, that means they probably have something to hide.
Don't let folks intimidate you off of here Barry.
A non-profit is obligated to make their records public to contributing members. If a non-profit organization does not solicit funds from the public, they are not required to make their records available for public viewing.
Section 22.351 of the Texas Business Organizations Code gives a member of a nonprofit corporation, on written demand, the right to examine and copy the corporation’s books and records. The member, or the member’s agent, accountant, or attorney, may examine and copy these records at any reasonable time and for a proper purpose. Section 22.352 also requires a nonprofit corporation to maintain financial records in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles; the board of directors is required to prepare or approve an annual financial report for the preceding year.
Additionally, section 22.353 requires certain nonprofit corporations to make all records, books, and annual reports of financial activity available to the general public for inspection and copying. However, section 22.353 does not apply to (1) corporations that solicit funds only from their members; (2) corporations that do not intend to solicit and do not actually receive contributions in excess of $10,000 during a fiscal year from sources other than their members; (3) proprietary schools; (4) religious institutions; (5) trade associations or professional associations whose principal income is from dues and member sales and services; (6) insurers; or (7) alumni associations of public or private institutions of higher education.
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I apologize. Maybe, I should have been more detailed about why I was curious about that information. Although I don't attend church there every week, I have made donations to that church and to special projects at that church for quite some time. My father, attended there for several years and that's how I came in contact with the church. I understand all of your concerns about why I'm asking this question. I pay my tithes to my home church, but I also make regular donations to other churches that I have some kind of connection with as well. We're all a part of THE church. Money is a sore subject, a very touchy subject in churches. Some people will say just give your money and the rest is between the leaders and God. I disagree...I will agree maybe this isn't the place to discuss this topic but It does need to be discussed. I went to several local churches a few years ago helping out a local homeless shelter and it was surprising to find out how much money was going to church employees vs. how much money was actually being used to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, outreach events etc...I'm not paying my tithes to offerings to the church to provide a place to worship on Sunday and to pay 6 or 7 full time salaries of church employees who spend less time doing ministry work than I do with a full time job to support them. I'm paying my tithes and offerings so someone I pass on the street or someone I work with can have the opportunity to hear this great Gospel and feel and experience the love of God through his Church! I would like to apologize to anyone who is offended by this, and also to our moderator. God Bless you all!
I apologize. Maybe, I should have been more detailed about why I was curious about that information. Although I don't attend church there every week, I have made donations to that church and to special projects at that church for quite some time. My father, attended there for several years and that's how I came in contact with the church. I understand all of your concerns about why I'm asking this question. I pay my tithes to my home church, but I also make regular donations to other churches that I have some kind of connection with as well. We're all a part of THE church. Money is a sore subject, a very touchy subject in churches. Some people will say just give your money and the rest is between the leaders and God. I disagree...I will agree maybe this isn't the place to discuss this topic but It does need to be discussed. I went to several local churches a few years ago helping out a local homeless shelter and it was surprising to find out how much money was going to church employees vs. how much money was actually being used to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, outreach events etc...I'm not paying my tithes to offerings to the church to provide a place to worship on Sunday and to pay 6 or 7 full time salaries of church employees who spend less time doing ministry work than I do with a full time job to support them. I'm paying my tithes and offerings so someone I pass on the street or someone I work with can have the opportunity to hear this great Gospel and feel and experience the love of God through his Church! I would like to apologize to anyone who is offended by this, and also to our moderator. God Bless you all!
Barry,
Thank you for your kind spirit, and the further clarification. I can totally understand your concerns, and by rights, you should know where your donations are going.
Thanks!
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