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Old 07-23-2007, 12:34 AM
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This sort of began with RRs book...then it seemed in order to validate this view suddenly testimonies of women attributing miracles to their hair started to prop up
is this a case of life becoming stranger than fiction or fiction becoming stranger than life???
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I know I will get crucified but the UPC is always chasing some fad. Dispatching angels now that is over, pleading the blood, some converted CIA man, convert from Hell's angels, the Siberean Seven, the Circus folks, the Jewish revival, now this goofy magic hair stuff.
Just sound solid Bible preaching does not seem to ever be the 'in' thing.
Sort of like going from one Multi Level Marketing scheme to another...anyone do Melaleuca?
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:36 AM
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Thank you, SM,
I found that I was curious as to your response.

Not a good thing to teach to a bunch of ladies. Their faith would naturally fall on the length of their hair and, IMO, cause them to be more judgmental to others.

I still don't understand I Cor 11. To have "long" hair, which is "tresses of hair" doesn't, as HO said, cover some races of people. "Uncut" can't satisfy that either because even if you didn't trim or cut it, you still wouldn't get "tresses" of hair.

Anyway, this portion isn't even talking about hair:
I just think it takes the focus away from the One Who has all power, and mistakenly places it on something that we have or some action that we do. That is idolatry, and the Word of God is very plain that such things are not pleasing to Him.

I also believe that women are far more susceptible to these sorts of things, because we are far more sensitive to emotional things. It was to Eve that the serpent said, "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil;" and it was Eve's reaction to this - "...when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." - that set in order a calamitous chain of events that effects us to this day.
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I know I will get crucified but the UPC is always chasing some fad. Dispatching angels now that is over, pleading the blood, some converted CIA man, convert from Hell's angels, the Siberean Seven, the Circus folks, the Jewish revival, now this goofy magic hair stuff.
Just sound solid Bible preaching does not seem to ever be the 'in' thing.
REally? I had no idea.
I guess I haven't missed much then.

I agree the BIBLE should always be "in" it certainly has been for me.

BUT sometimes I have to wonder - is church really all that good, or important.. for people IF bible is all we need?
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Sort of like going from one Multi Level Marketing scheme to another...anyone do Melaleuca?
what is melaleuca?
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:37 AM
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Perhaps I need to clarify a bit what I meant when I mentioned those acts as I did in earlier post..and you and sism have replied with sincerity., as I have also asked.THAT..when people do such things, even speaking in tongues or going into a "blessing" that often times looses even MORE of same conduct from others..I mean pretty soon the whole church is speaking in tongues, dancing, running the aisles..long hair flyin everywhere - and so on.
NO ONE seems to question that - or sometimes even MUSIC, certain songs just auto seem to loosen or lead to a sudden spurt in the SPIRIT fallling upon many people all at once!

Okay..so I've seen this many a time and I love it! ALSO I can fall into a personal blessing without all that..the spirit in ME often overflows easily.

But thats offtrack.

Having seen the spirit really fall heavily upon a whole congregation..who's to say what is or isn't "of GOD" or considered not bible..IF the fruit is there?

I hope I'm beginning to make some sense, lol (what I'm trying to get at)

ROFL! Are you serious? You come over here to post under the pretense of attempting to have honest discussion?

Why don't you just paste your posts over here that you made over there. That would save everyone time, thinking you were being honest.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:38 AM
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Perhaps I need to clarify a bit what I meant when I mentioned those acts as I did in earlier post..and you and sism have replied with sincerity., as I have also asked.
THAT..when people do such things, even speaking in tongues or going into a "blessing" that often times looses even MORE of same conduct from others..I mean pretty soon the whole church is speaking in tongues, dancing, running the aisles..long hair flyin everywhere - and so on.
NO ONE seems to question that - or sometimes even MUSIC, certain songs just auto seem to loosen or lead to a sudden spurt in the SPIRIT fallling upon many people all at once!

Okay..so I've seen this many a time and I love it! ALSO I can fall into a personal blessing without all that..the spirit in ME often overflows easily.

But thats offtrack.

Having seen the spirit really fall heavily upon a whole congregation..who's to say what is or isn't "of GOD" or considered not bible..IF the fruit is there?

I hope I'm beginning to make some sense, lol (what I'm trying to get at)
I'm just saying that this portion of scripture is not talking about hair and the wrong definition is being used for power. The word "power" in verse 10 is interpreted, basically, in the Greek (exousia) as "privilege". It is not "dunamis", which in the Greek is interpreted as "specifically miraculous power".

I Cor 11:8-11

8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:39 AM
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I just think it takes the focus away from the One Who has all power, and mistakenly places it on something that we have or some action that we do. That is idolatry, and the Word of God is very plain that such things are not pleasing to Him.

I also believe that women are far more susceptible to these sorts of things, because we are far more sensitive to emotional things. It was to Eve that the serpent said, "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil;" and it was Eve's reaction to this - "...when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." - that set in order a calamitous chain of events that effects us to this day.
I agree and don't blow a fuse, but I heard a man say that they were trained to minister to the woman because they were more emotional and it would give them more confidence working in the Spirit. LOL!
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:41 AM
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REally? I had no idea.
I guess I haven't missed much then.

I agree the BIBLE should always be "in" it certainly has been for me.

BUT sometimes I have to wonder - is church really all that good, or important.. for people IF bible is all we need?
Are you honestly suggesting that we use something else other than the Bible to glean doctrine from?

Like what?

And this coming from someone who has stated time and time again that Bible is all we need......LOL!
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