Pastors forced to perform same-sex marriages

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Luke

There is no scientific evidence that poves that people are born gay none. If there was then it would be cited on a daily basis.

Gender is determined at birth and ethnicity is determined at birth neither is a in any way a choice.

Both pediphilia and homosexuality are deviant and destructive sexual behaviors.

For the sake of argument even if people were born gay does that give them special rights and exemptions? Fo illustration what about a baby that's mother did drugs and is born addicted to drugs does that give that individual the right to use illegal drugs throughout their life?

No gay person wants anything special. They want equal rights! Your illustrations arent very bright at all.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Also Luke, you had nothing to say about my statement about being born sinners. The bible doesnt support the idea that gays are born gay? They just decided to be sexual deviants? Some gays say they always knew they were gay even as children.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

No gay person wants anything special. They want equal rights! Your illustrations arent very bright at all.

Do all americans have the right to marry any non, near, unmarried adult relative of the opposite sex that will consent?

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Luke

Do all americans have the right to marry any non, near, unmarried adult relative of the opposite sex that will consent?

Um ya. Dont they? I cant marry my cousin? Again, not sure what your getting at?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Also Luke, you had nothing to say about my statement about being born sinners. The bible doesnt support the idea that gays are born gay? They just decided to be sexual deviants? Some gays say they always knew they were gay even as children.

I apologize i didn't respond to this. I strongly agree that we are all born sinners and thus with a natural propensity to sin in general.

Romans1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


Notice there is progression in sin. Nowhere in the Bible does it ever come close to saying that anyone is born a homosexual.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Um ya. Dont they? I cant marry my cousin? Again, not sure what your getting at?

My point is that all americans have the same rights. You stated though:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh
No gay person wants anything special. They want equal rights!

Howere you yourself just admitted that all americans have the same equal rights.

Homosexuals are not satisfied with equal rights they want extra rights or special rights. They want the rights of all americans to marry any non, near, unmarried adult relative of the opposite sex that will consent plus the right to marry any one of the same sex as well.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Luke

My point is that all americans have the same rights. You stated though:

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh
No gay person wants anything special. They want equal rights!

Howere you yourself just admitted that all americans have the same equal rights.

Homosexuals are not satisfied with equal rights they want extra rights or special rights. They want the rights of all americans to marry any non, near, unmarried adult relative of the opposite sex that will consent plus the right to marry any one of the same sex as well.

Dude I have no idea what you just tried to prove. I am confused. They dont want special rights.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Luke

I apologize i didn't respond to this. I strongly agree that we are all born sinners and thus with a natural propensity to sin in general.

Romans1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;


Notice there is progression in sin. Nowhere in the Bible does it ever come close to saying that anyone is born a homosexual.

Again, GOD made them gay. They didnt choose it. Right?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Again, GOD made them gay. They didnt choose it. Right?

Did you read the same thing I read it said that God gave them over or allowed them to fulfil their own burning lust. No where did it say that God put that lust in them or that pushed them into that lust rather He allowed them to or did not stop them from going into it.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Well why and how are they saying its a constitutional right? Isnt equality and liberty a constitutional right?

Not so much