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12-18-2012, 04:30 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Simple I am a son-husband-uncle-nephew-etc those are unquie roles but I am ONE person. The exact opposite of what Trinitarianism teaches.
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I'd like to see you speak to yourself out of heaven, Steve. Not really a good example my friend.
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12-18-2012, 04:56 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah I STRONGLY disagree with that. It is meant to be crystal clear, if not why even bother trying to prove it?
The idea that it's a hidden truth is to me gnostic. It is reminiscent of mystery religions.
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The definition of "mystery"
hidden thing, secret, mystery
So if that classifies Christianity as a "mystery" religon so be it.
Jesus spoke in parables so the average guy would not understand.
Then those who stayed with him he would give them the meaning.
3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Tim. 3:16
What do you know... the very thing were talking about (who Jesus is) is a HIDDEN TRUTH.
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12-18-2012, 05:15 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
The definition of "mystery"
hidden thing, secret, mystery
So if that classifies Christianity as a "mystery" religon so be it.
Jesus spoke in parables so the average guy would not understand.
Then those who stayed with him he would give them the meaning.
3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Tim. 3:16
What do you know... the very thing were talking about (who Jesus is) is a HIDDEN TRUTH. |
No that does not classify Christianity as a mystery religion, just your view of Christianity.
BTW that verse seems pretty clear. It's not a special hidden meaning. It's clear. The Mystery hidden through out the bible until NOW, has been revealed. See that's the point., There are no mysteries, there are revelations and the word is God's revelation
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12-18-2012, 05:19 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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No that does not classify Christianity as a mystery religion, just your view of Christianity.
BTW that verse seems pretty clear. It's not a special hidden meaning. It's clear. The Mystery hidden through out the bible until NOW, has been revealed. See that's the point., There are no mysteries, there are revelations and the word is God's revelation
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12-18-2012, 06:03 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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What motivates one to even WANT to think that so much of CHristianity is lost and going to hell over the godhead? What is it that makes one go so crazy over things like that? Is it pride maybe? The very human desire to be able to say you are "better" than someone else?
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It seems that Elder Epley has started this very subject before just to ..... 
 
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12-18-2012, 06:05 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Would you get on the platform and say that?  
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12-18-2012, 06:29 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
No that does not classify Christianity as a mystery religion, just your view of Christianity.
BTW that verse seems pretty clear. It's not a special hidden meaning. It's clear. The Mystery hidden through out the bible until NOW, has been revealed. See that's the point., There are no mysteries, there are revelations and the word is God's revelation
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Yes the mystery has been revealed TO THOSE WHO SEE IT. Not to everyone. Most people who go to Church still dont understand 1 Tim. 3:16. Thats why we are having this discussion.
When Trinitarian believers read 1 Tim. 3:16 they DONT know the meaning.
They think it means God the Son was manifest in the flesh. Or the eternal son of God was manifest in the flesh. The one very thing that Paul IS SAYING that it was GOD who was manifest in the flesh is the only thing they DO NOT SEE in that verse.
They cannot see that God, the one and only God of the Old Testament came in the flesh. If they had THAT REVELATION they would be Oneness rather than fighting against it.
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12-18-2012, 06:43 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Meet the Jesus of the Bible. The one very few want to know.
In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said , I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is , but the Father; and who the Father is , but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. Luke 10:21-22
He rejoiced that God had hidden the truth of the Messiah from the wise and prudent and showed it to babes. Yes what today would be thought of as "rubes", "country bumpkins", "ignorant" and non seminarians THESE are the ones he delights in giving revelation to.
Oh yes these things ARE written in scripture. One can study it out and see it. But until Jesus reveals it it will remain a secret to the reader. That why many millions of people who read the Bible cannot see what the Pharisees could not see.
Unless you believe that I am he you shall die in your sins.John 8:24
This is not MY doctrine in the sense that I made it up. It is the doctrine of Jesus. Because I belong to him now it must become MY doctrine.
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12-18-2012, 06:46 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?
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The Elder still hasn't responded to a thing I've asked him.
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12-18-2012, 09:22 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Originalist
Again, apart from die hard theologians, most Trinitarians aren't thinking in all of these dogma terms you describe here. The Trinity is seldom discussed in their ranks. You actually hear the term "Jesus is God" more than you hear the term "God in 3 persons". In fact, you could describe the Oneness doctrine to them and the majority would say, "That's what I believe!".
Bro Epley, I'm still waiting for you to respond to my other points.....
Originally Posted by Steve Epley
My response....
Die hards like yourself seem to be forgetting what God is declaring about someone when He gives them the Holy Ghost. You should straighten God out on this matter, don't you think?
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If I felt like you was sincere I would do my best to help you. That does not mean putting a Trinitarian in the pulpit where I pastor.
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