The AFF Cesspool of Compromise

[mrnbcox]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Wow, you know, you're right. I never gave one bit of thought into what does God say.

Seems to be a trend

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Seems to be a trend

I think you've really tapped into something here. I'll bet every pastor who ever does something that you see as "compromising" never bothers to see what does God think!!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Conviction walks out the door when self justification walks in.

This was Sauls problem. People who care about self justification don't put much thought into what does God say

You probably deserve to get tangled up with "Troublemaker," but just what are you talking about? Who is guilty of "self justification?"

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You probably deserve to get tangled up with "Troublemaker,"

Whu.....who, me??????

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The AFF is NOT a cesspool of compromise.

Their issue with the AFF is that we refuse to compromise with their RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS OF MEN.

We are free to express and study. To challenge and affirm. And though we may have differing opinions we are united in our refusal to be mindless drones. We are also united in the greatest thing this world will ever see... the love of Christ. My brother doesn't have to be brow beaten by Missouri into believing as I do for me to love him. We seek the truth of God's Word. We seek to live by the Bible alone. In that, we do not compromise and will not compromise.

We seek to be Bereans, searching the Scriptures for ourselves. Willing to evolve as our knowledge grows. Discovering truths for ourselves instead of mindlessly following the religious dictates of their man made doctrines or religious hierarchy.

Hey,
I'll give that a big hearty AMEN

[pelathais]

Speaking of getting down into the "cesspool" how about this United Pentecostal congregation wading out into an oil spill to baptize some folks:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...0369.htmlstory



"In the waters off Grand Isle, La., members of the United Pentecostal Church of Gretna, La., watch as Pastor Vidal Galvez baptizes two members of his church. He and his followers intended to go to the public beach, but it was closed due to the oil spill. The bay waters are still considered safe for swimming and fishing.
(Carolyn Cole / Los Angeles Times / May 23, 2010)"

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Conviction walks out the door when self justification walks in.

This was Sauls problem. People who care about self justification don't put much thought into what does God say

What exactly are people justifying?

Have you seen anyone justifying adultery? fornication? stealing? lying? cheating on your taxes? ...... you know - SIN??

Just because people don't agree with your particular interpretation of certain passages... that doesn't mean they're self-justifying. It means they disagree.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

What exactly are people justifying?

Have you seen anyone justifying adultery? fornication? stealing? lying? cheating on your taxes? ...... you know - SIN??

Just because people don't agree with your particular interpretation of certain passages... that doesn't mean they're self-justifying. It means they disagree.

Tax cheating... hmmm that could be another great question for the proposed new forum (that AFF alternative for protecting the young preachers that are "under us")

Do you believe it is sin to claim cash from the offering baskets without full IRS reporting??

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Conviction walks out the door when self justification walks in.

This was Sauls problem. People who care about self justification don't put much thought into what does God say

That's your answer, your rebuttal to my post?!!!

Maybe you ought to stick with those closed forums where you never have to answer any questions or defend what you believe just pick up the pom-poms and shout amen every once in a while.

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

First of all, thank you for proving original posts right.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Please explain

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Malachi 3:8
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
3:10
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Oh snap, I never considered that.

Mr. Cox, would you like to tell me what other parts of the law we should abide by? Do we just pick and choose? Should we use Duet 22:5, but ignore 22:8? Were not the handwriting of ordinances nailed to the cross? Who are you to restore what God has done away with?

Furthermore, has everyone you ever knew who practiced tithing been blessed so much they couldn't contain it?

Where's the storehouse? You know in the old testament there was a real store house, it wasn't Wells Fargo where money could gain interest. (Then again, maybe we should discuss the contents of the store house- hint "meat" in mine house)

Do we distribute the tithe as we ought, you know to the poor, the widow, the faterless, the stranger? Rather we exact the tithe from them creating an unnecessary burden. Which is exactly AGAINST what Paul taught in the New Testament.

For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: 2 Corinthians 8:13

But were not worried about the poor, about the single mother, about the widow on welfare it's pay up, or hell! ( as evidenced by the next part of your post, which I am about to comment on)

Do you think God is pleased with the preacher living the life of ease, not working a secular job, living off the people getting a new car every couple of years, trabeling all over the world on the church's dime, while teaching that if those of the congregation don't tithe the'll go to hell? Reminds me of this scripture:

For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. Matthew 23:4

Yet again, what if someone pays tithes, if they don't pay offerings, they have still robbed God. Why is only the tithe concentrated on? According to Malachi 3 (if your interpretation is correct) they rob God in tithes and offerings. So what is the minimum giving required for salvation? 11%, 12%, 15%? Maybe just 10.01%?

What if someone misfigures, will God send them to hell over a dime? Atlanta Bishop implied such a thing. What if they miss a week, get into a car accident and die? Ar they going to hell over their $50 they didn't put in that week?

Yet again I must ask, when do we tithe? Weekly? Where's your scripture for that? The only biblical time to recieve the tithes were at feasts? There's no weekly tithe. Does your church practice feasts? If not, they might as well, if your teaching tithes your teaching the law, at least be consistent.

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

(P.S. All theives still go to hell)

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Ahh, yes. Tithing is tied to our salvation, maybe you show me my error in interpreting these scriptures:

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1 Peter 1:18-19

Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:27-28

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:3-5

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

I could go on, but for this post will stop and await comment.

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

By the way, Levites (ministers) not only recieved tithes, but paid tithes.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Right, who recieved the tithes of the Levites?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Tax cheating... hmmm that could be another great question for the proposed new forum (that AFF alternative for protecting the young preachers that are "under us")

Do you believe it is sin to claim cash from the offering baskets without full IRS reporting??

There's probably some sort of justification for that.