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View Poll Results: Do you believe and/or teach that standards are heaven or hell issues?
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Absolutely. I believe and teach that standards are heaven or hell issues.
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19.30% |
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I believe that standards should be followed, but they do not necessarily affect salvation.
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17.54% |
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I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization.
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5.26% |
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I do not believe or teach that standards are salvational.
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36.84% |
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I teach that standards are matters of consecration, but are not salvational.
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19.30% |
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I don't know.
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04-18-2007, 08:07 PM
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Getting to know Jesus
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Originally Posted by Michlow
Perhaps I will start athread called "Epley told me I will just have to go to hell" that would be an attention getter wouldn't it? That's what has me fired up right now  |
Surely, it would; I would think!!!!
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04-18-2007, 08:11 PM
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Step By Step - Day By Day
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Oh my Lord, this is the lamest example I think I've ever heard for standards.
You think the world thinks we're holy because of the way we dress, and they want to be like us??????????
I can spot an Amish person a mile away, but that doesn't mean that I want to be one!
And the example of the car accident????????? Just crazy.
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I've made this same argument before. In fact, I think I've made ALL the arguments at some point or other over the last several years of posting online.
I can argue for or against as good as the best! 
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04-18-2007, 08:19 PM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Originally Posted by Michlow
I would definately put it in the top 10....
That's idea for a thread....Top 10 lame reasons to teach standards.... |
Yeah, we could do it Letterman style. Of course, only the libs will know what that means! 
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04-18-2007, 08:20 PM
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just lurking...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Yeah, we could do it Letterman style. Of course, only the libs will know what that means! |
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04-18-2007, 08:21 PM
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Rebel with a cause.
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You know, if a person wants to dress in a certain way because it's a personal conviction, then I say "go for it", and more power to them.
However, this argument of "Well, the world will be drawn to us because of how we dress" is absolutely the lamest argument I've ever heard.
I agree that people are identified by their dress. Muslims dress in a distinctive fashion. Amish people dress in a distinctive fashion. Goth teens dress in a distinctive fashion.
Do I see them and want to be like any of them? Not a chance.
If I want to emulate anyone at all, it's going to be because of how they act, not because of how they dress.
But, then again, that's just me. I'm just a simple guy.
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"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
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04-18-2007, 08:23 PM
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My Family!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
You know, if a person wants to dress in a certain way because it's a personal conviction, then I say "go for it", and more power to them.
However, this argument of "Well, the world will be drawn to us because of how we dress" is absolutely the lamest argument I've ever heard.
I agree that people are identified by their dress. Muslims dress in a distinctive fashion. Amish people dress in a distinctive fashion. Goth teens dress in a distinctive fashion.
Do I see them and want to be like any of them? Not a chance.
If I want to emulate anyone at all, it's going to be because of how they act, not because of how they dress.
But, then again, that's just me. I'm just a simple guy.
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But if you were dying wouldn't you want a lady with a dress and panty hose on to pray for you over a lady in pants?
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04-18-2007, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Yeah, we could do it Letterman style. Of course, only the libs will know what that means! |
I don't know what it means. Help! Explain please.
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04-18-2007, 08:31 PM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
But if you were dying wouldn't you want a lady with a dress and panty hose on to pray for you over a lady in pants? |
If I was dying, I wouldn't care what she was wearing, as long as she was wearing a stethoscope around her neck.
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"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
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04-18-2007, 08:51 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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I didn't vote, standards can easily become a heaven or hell issue, depending on what we are talking about in the way of standards. Its about growth and maturation in our christian walk. The poll is a little tricky, because everyone is at a different level of maturity. Some are on steak, whereas others are still on milk. You cannot give a baby steak, but the Lord knows who needs milk and who needs steak. As far as dress goes, if we become a stumbling block to someone else in the way we dress, then I would say that standards could easily become a heaven or hell issue. We need to ask ourselves the question; will this affect my relationship with God, my family, my co-workers, the potential person that I could witness to. If your dress becomes a stumbling block to someone else, and you know it, then I would definately say its a heaven or hell issue. If how you present yourself is also an attitude of defiance to authority, then it could become a heaven or hell issue. If TV is a negative influence on you and those around you (and you know it) then once again it becomes a heaven or hell issue. I could go on and on, but I've said enough for now.
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04-18-2007, 08:59 PM
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just lurking...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
If I was dying, I wouldn't care what she was wearing, as long as she was wearing a stethoscope around her neck.
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Bro. Phelps, I just want to say that you signature seems very applicable to me right now. Thanks for the reminder!!!
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