CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay church - Page 14

ReformedDave · #**131** 03-03-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Can one be a christian gossiper? Can one be a christian liar, theif, etc.? Those are more prevelant in the church than christian homosexuals.

It easy to jump on the bandwagon of sins we don't have to deal with. Any destructive behavior needs to be dealt with. There are some sins which are acceptable to Christians.

We have people in the pews and in the pulpits who don't take care of their bodies, in direct violation of scripture. Those who gossip and those who can't say no when their bellies are full are going to meet the same fate as the homosexual.

Homosexuality is sin. So is gossip. So is causing division. So is undermining leadership (wpf). So is legalism.

Would Cece Winans have an obligation to preach against gossip if she sings at a church for tale bearers?

Would she have an obligation to preach against gluttony if she sings at a church full people who need a wide angle lens to get into the picture?

It is condesending and insulting to suggest someone preach against a certain sin, but not hold the to the same standards for other blatent sins.

If you were asked to speak at this church would you speak out against their gay affirming lifestyle?

TRFrance · #**132** 03-03-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Can one be a christian gossiper? Can one be a christian liar, theif, etc.? Those are more prevelant in the church than christian homosexuals.

It easy to jump on the bandwagon of sins we don't have to deal with. Any destructive behavior needs to be dealt with. There are some sins which are acceptable to Christians.

We have people in the pews and in the pulpits who don't take care of their bodies, in direct violation of scripture. Those who gossip and those who can't say no when their bellies are full are going to meet the same fate as the homosexual.

Homosexuality is sin. So is gossip. So is causing division. So is undermining leadership (wpf). So is legalism.

Would Cece Winans have an obligation to preach against gossip if she sings at a church for tale bearers?

Would she have an obligation to preach against gluttony if she sings at a church full people who need a wide angle lens to get into the picture?

It is condesending and insulting to suggest someone preach against a certain sin, but not hold the to the same standards for other blatant sins.

Good grief.
Your line of reasoning there does not make a whole lot of sense.

Yes, gluttony is sin. Yes, gossiping is sin, etc. But...

There are no churches that have been founded for the purpose of promoting gluttony, or gossiping, or lying, or thievery, etc. But "gay-accepting" churches have been founded to promote acceptance of homosexuality. These churches by their very existence, are in denial of, and rebellion against, the word of God!

Why is it so hard for you to see the very clear distinction there?

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If professing Christians really can't see how "gay churches" are related to the larger "gay movement" affecting our society, and how "gay churches" are being used by the devil to undermine God's design of family and sexuality, then in my mind, these believers have serious issues concerning spiritual perception, discernment, and judgment. No wonder so many churches are powerless today.

tv1a · #**133** 03-03-2008, 09:35 PM

I would preach what God wanted me to preach. Nothing more, nothing less.

I would use the same principle if I visited a church full of blue denim whales. If God wanted me to speak about unecessary obesity, he would tell me.

Homosexuality is easy to preach against. As rksmith how hard it is to preach against common issue the church faces, like gossip, and destructive behavior of saints. Although he likes to blame on the music, in reality, it's a leadership problem.

Anyone can preach against homosexuality. Homos in the church are far fewer in number than the backbiters, gossipers, and liars in the church. Let's deal with the issues facing the church before we deal with no more than 2% of the US population.

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

If you were asked to speak at this church would you speak out against their gay affirming lifestyle?

CC1 · #**134** 03-03-2008, 10:22 PM

My question is this; When the pastor of this church introduces CeCe is he going to snap his fingers, fling his arm, and say "You GO Girl!!!!"

LOL!!!!! Arghhhhh!!!!!!

tv1a · #**135** 03-04-2008, 05:03 AM

See comments in the Atlanta Bishop/Hoover thread about the misconception of that church.

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Originally Posted by CC1

My question is this; When the pastor of this church introduces CeCe is he going to snap his fingers, fling his arm, and say "You GO Girl!!!!"

LOL!!!!! Arghhhhh!!!!!!

MissBrattified · #**136** 03-04-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlanta Bishop

1. Victory is not a "homosexual church". It is a very large (several thousand) church that does not turn away nor degrade people that struggle in life. It is basically a baptist church and many members are filled with the Holy Ghost.

Is there a church that "turns away" homosexuals? I hope not....

However, I think there's a difference between allowing anyone to come into the church (which is how it should be), and allowing believers who have returned to sin to remain when unrepentant.

ReformedDave · #**137** 03-04-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

I would preach what God wanted me to preach. Nothing more, nothing less.

I would use the same principle if I visited a church full of blue denim whales. If God wanted me to speak about unecessary obesity, he would tell me.

Homosexuality is easy to preach against. As rksmith how hard it is to preach against common issue the church faces, like gossip, and destructive behavior of saints. Although he likes to blame on the music, in reality, it's a leadership problem.

Anyone can preach against homosexuality. Homos in the church are far fewer in number than the backbiters, gossipers, and liars in the church. Let's deal with the issues facing the church before we deal with no more than 2% of the US population.

Again you refuse to answer direct questions directly. If this is a gay affirming church would you preach against homosexuality? You are trying to side step.

My pastor peaches about whatever is in the Scripture including gossip and sodomy.

God 'tells' you what to preach about? How do you know it's God?

ReformedDave · #**138** 03-04-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

See comments in the Atlanta Bishop/Hoover thread about the misconception of that church.

I believe this church might be part of the United Church of Christ. Here's the official position on the matter.

http://www.ucc.org/lgbt/

CC1 · #**139** 03-04-2008, 06:04 PM

I think the main point many are trying to make is that there is a difference in a loving, caring church opening its arms to minister to gay people with the transforming power and gospel of Jesus Christ and a "Gay Affirming" church that accepts homosexuals "as they are"

The first is a godly church and the second has lost it's way and is condoning sin.

Praxeas · #**140** 03-04-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I think the main point many are trying to make is that there is a difference in a loving, caring church opening its arms to minister to gay people with the transforming power and gospel of Jesus Christ and a "Gay Affirming" church that accepts homosexuals "as they are"

The first is a godly church and the second has lost it's way and is condoning sin.

Right, these churches are not turning away gays....but they are also not telling them the truth that they need to repent of that lifestyle