CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay church - Page 13

ReformedDave · #**121** 03-02-2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

I would use a homosexual before I would use a gossiper anyday of the week. The church is generally homophobic. They think homosexuality is an abomination while on the pulpit sits a preacher of Ehud like porportions. A homosexual doesn't do near as much damage as a gossiping pentecostal. God looks at sin the same way, just because one does a little shockamoo doen't mean their sin is any worse than homosexuality.

Contrary to popular belief Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't destroyed because of homosexual tendancies. They were destroyed because they did not take care of the children and the poor. Exekiel 16:49

First of all, it does appear that God judges some sins worse than others. Homosexuality is a curse from God that He turns unrepentant man over to. All transgressions against God are sin but not all sins are created equal.

You said "I would use a homosexual before I would use a gossiper anyday of the week". What scripture guideline do you have for this? You don't think homosexuality is an abomination?

TRFrance · #**122** 03-02-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

I would use a homosexual before I would use a gossiper anyday of the week. The church is generally homophobic.

The the very concept of someone being a "Christian homosexual" in the body of Christ is innately self-contradictory.

A man can no more be a Christian homosexual than he can be a Christian child molester.

stmatthew · #**123** 03-02-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

I would use a homosexual before I would use a gossiper anyday of the week. The church is generally homophobic. They think homosexuality is an abomination while on the pulpit sits a preacher of Ehud like porportions. A homosexual doesn't do near as much damage as a gossiping pentecostal. God looks at sin the same way, just because one does a little shockamoo doen't mean their sin is any worse than homosexuality.

Contrary to popular belief Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't destroyed because of homosexual tendancies. They were destroyed because they did not take care of the children and the poor. Exekiel 16:49

This is the most ignorant statement I have read in a while. In saying this, YOU are placing one sin as better than another, when NO sin is right in Gods eye's.

stmatthew · #**124** 03-02-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hartmann

homos are every where!!!!! I wish they would get back in the closet, hu Matt!! lol

remember our conversation with BRANDON? LOL

I remember it very well! I can't believe anyone would condone open sin, can you??

tv1a · #**125** 03-02-2008, 11:39 PM

The word gossip is also mentioned in the passage regarding homosexual behavior.

Side question, correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears as if you believe once a homosexual always a homosexual.

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Rom 1:18-32
18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves.
19 For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts.
20 From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.
21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead.
23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes.
24 So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies.
25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen.
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.
27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.
28 When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.
29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.
30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents.
31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving.
32 They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
NLT

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

First of all, it does appear that God judges some sins worse than others. Homosexuality is a curse from God that He turns unrepentant man over to. All transgressions against God are sin but not all sins are created equal.

You said "I would use a homosexual before I would use a gossiper anyday of the week". What scripture guideline do you have for this? You don't think homosexuality is an abomination?

tv1a · #**126** 03-02-2008, 11:49 PM

Can one be a christian gossiper? Can one be a christian liar, theif, etc.? Those are more prevelant in the church than christian homosexuals.

It easy to jump on the bandwagon of sins we don't have to deal with. Any destructive behavior needs to be dealt with. There are some sins which are acceptable to Christians.

We have people in the pews and in the pulpits who don't take care of their bodies, in direct violation of scripture. Those who gossip and those who can't say no when their bellies are full are going to meet the same fate as the homosexual.

Homosexuality is sin. So is gossip. So is causing division. So is undermining leadership (wpf). So is legalism.

Would Cece Winans have an obligation to preach against gossip if she sings at a church for tale bearers?

Would she have an obligation to preach against gluttony if she sings at a church full people who need a wide angle lens to get into the picture?

It is condesending and insulting to suggest someone preach against a certain sin, but not hold the to the same standards for other blatent sins.

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

The the very concept of someone being a "Christian homosexual" in the body of Christ is innately self-contradictory.

A man can no more be a Christian homosexual than he can be a Christian child molester.

Sister Alvear · #**127** 03-03-2008, 08:30 AM

tv1a....do you pastor a church?

Prodigal · #**128** 03-03-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Homosexuality is a curse from God that He turns unrepentant man over to.

Can you expand on this? What exactly does it mean when someone is cursed? What are the conditions in which god would curse someone with homosexuality? How do you remove the curse? Can it come back?
Does god curse someone that is Hindu? Or Muslim? Are celibate homosexuals that are christian sort of cursed?

Homosexuals exist in every culture. Does someone that doesn't even believe in god get cursed by someone they don't even believe exists? Homosexual behavior has been observed in over 1500 species of animals.....are they cursed too?

ReformedDave · #**129** 03-03-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

The word gossip is also mentioned in the passage regarding homosexual behavior.

Side question, correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears as if you believe once a homosexual always a homosexual.

In a passage. Not THE only passage. Where do you get the idea that I think a homosexual cannot be regenerated?

ReformedDave · #**130** 03-03-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal

Can you expand on this? What exactly does it mean when someone is cursed? What are the conditions in which god would curse someone with homosexuality? How do you remove the curse? Can it come back?
Does god curse someone that is Hindu? Or Muslim? Are celibate homosexuals that are christian sort of cursed?

Homosexuals exist in every culture. Does someone that doesn't even believe in god get cursed by someone they don't even believe exists? Homosexual behavior has been observed in over 1500 species of animals.....are they cursed too?

In the passage that was quoted, Romans 1, God turned unrepentant man over to homosexual activity.

Romans 1:18-32- "18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

Here we see that all men know God. There are no true atheists. All men are idol builders and since they refuse to acknowledge Him He takes His restraining hand away and turns them over to perverseness.

I should have not used the word 'curse' in that manor. But God turns people over to this type of thing and it is in effect a curse.

BTW, all of mankind and all of the earth, including Fido, is under the curse of sin.