End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RJR

Saul prophesied also and was not a preacher. Do you not know there is a difference between prophesy and preaching?

Yes. And you're creating a false dichotomy. Prophesying is simply anointed extemporaneous preaching.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RJR

Do not you know the difference between witnessing and preaching? Quite different from what you are trying to demonstrate from specualtion, that is she was preaching under the authority of her Elder.

Biblically speaking, witnessing is preaching the Gospel. Duh.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RJR

Does this make you a woman? Or a woman become a man since she would also be a part of the body of Christ?

Would something be wrong with being a woman my dear brother? I'm a member of Christ's bride. As are you my dear lady. lol

[MissBrattified]

If a woman is scripturally allowed to prophesy (essentially making her a "prophetess"), under what circumstances is she allowed to follow the prompting of the Holy Ghost and utter forth the prophecy? Is prophesying exempt from the keeping silent in the church "mandate?"

The word "prophesy" (prophēteuō) from Acts 2:18 is defined in Strong's as follows:

to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict to prophesy with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RJR

I thought this was a Biblical discussion. Have you demonstrated where they could teach and preach from the scripture in a church setting? All you have demonstrated is they could be used in the gifts of the spirit and witness. Still looking for the passage where you can demonstrate what you speculate..."under the authority of their Elders?"

Wow. In a "church setting"? LOL! Don't you know that Christians didn't have buildings for nearly 300 years! They gathered in homes. The gathered in mass in public locations such as town squares and the temple. When that proved to be dangerous they'd meet in barns, caves, and caverns. The "church" isn't a building... it's a body. Anywhere two or more are gathered in Christ's name you have the church... be it a religious building, a home, a barn, a park, a coffee shop, a tavern... anywhere.

Oh... and with regards to "preaching". The word is "dialegomai". It's the very same word from which we get "dialogue". Preaching wasn't originally sermonized rhetoric. Originally it was an open discussion among Christians gathered. These discussions were guided by two, or at most three, elders who had the gift of prophesy.

All you have demonstrated is they could be used in the gifts of the spirit and witness

You have some confusion with regards to preaching, teaching, witnessing, and prophesying. Prophesying is speaking as the Spirit leads you. It can involve any number of things including, a witness, teaching, or the preaching of the Gospel. It can also be a vehicle through which other gifts are used, usch as a word of knowledge. Preaching is typically regarded as being the forth-telling of the Gospel of Christ. Preaching can also be admonishment to righteousness or regarding social circumstances facing the church. Teaching is an expository delivery with regards to the meaning of Scripture and applicable spiritual truths. Teaching can is largely doctrinal with focus on orthodoxy and orthopraxy.

Is Duh... an expression of intelligence? If you want to get into that kind of contest, I will consider this the first move. I will turn the other cheek, but will not guarantee my response after that.

What I meant by "duh" is that something is a "no brainer". Duh. lol

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ummm, do you think that prophecy is a sermon from the Scriptures ?


If so, please demonstrate this from the actual biblical data:_________?

The term "sermon" isn't biblical. In fact, most "sermons" today better match the Sophists and their Aristotelian rhetoric.

Do you actually believe that the church of the New Testament met in church buildings and preachers preached little sermons behind little pulpits??? LOL!

Get real! LOL

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rdp

Yes, & every husband & wife who teach a home Bible study are now automatically in the official set-in office of the NT teaching-preaching Eldership - right ?

In the NT church there was no difference between "church meetings" and "home bible studies"!!! Do you picture them having buildings!!! ROFLMHO!!!!!

Christians simply gathered wherever they could and shared scripture, prophesied, gave testimonies, taught one another, etc. It was a very interactive meeting wherein there was open discussion. We didn't have one person up in the front delivering a sermonized monologue. That's a Roman Catholic custom that we continue in most traditional churches today.

Anything to skirt the Word of God eh':


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner....I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church.


Shall I delve back into the specific syntax of these passages (all to be COMPLETELY IGNORED of course )?

Borther, Paul wrote,

I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet

This has to do with a woman assuming authority over a man and trying to teach a group on her own brazen authority. If a quiet and submitted woman was called upon to address the group on a specific subject, she'd be under proper authority to do so. And she would humbly deliver her message and relinquish the floor to the elder when finished.

For example... Joyce Myers is way out of line in my opinion. She's functioning as an elder/pastor/bishop/overseer (whatever word you wish to use)... that's unbiblical. As a result, I don't receive Joyce Myers' ministry.

However, if the elder of our house church requested that my wife share something she's been studying with the gathering and she respectfully submitted what she was finding her in studies, broke into prophesying, and we happened to learn a thing or two...then she surrendered the floor to the elder when finished... that would be in perfect order.

Why? Because she's not assuming any authority over me or the elder. First, she'd have my support (a good elder always talks to the husband before asking a wife to speak). Second, she'd have the elder's support. She'd be under the authority of both her husband and the elder.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Sasha

This is what is making some of the men speak from both sides of their mouths. They speak against Sis. Alvear for preaching, then say it's ok for women to preach they just can't preach in church. They one says a pulpit has nothing to do with it when the other says women can't be behind one. Sis. Alvear has stated over and over that she's not a preacher and they tell her she doesn't know the difference.

Makes my head spin for sure. I'm thankful for a preacher who says what he means and means what he says.

Let me say it again... but try to be more clear...

There is a difference between a woman addressing a gathering while properly under an elder's authority and a woman actually acting as an elder.

Elders hold authority over men and women. No other member does, male or female. Essentially an elder can allow anyone to address the gathering if they felt led of the Spirit to do so.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RJR

Show me the passage. Paul said circumcision availeth nothing and he was the one God used to pen the qualifications of the Bishop, among them was the husband of one wife, (not the wife of one husband). Guess what? Not one injunction to be circumcised in the qualifications of a Bishop. Try again

You're confusing the role of an overseer and the role of a woman prophesying within the church gathering. An overseer must be the husband of one wife. Women prophesying in gatherings were to have their heads covered as a sign of modesty and submission to their husbands.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

If a woman is scripturally allowed to prophesy (essentially making her a "prophetess"), under what circumstances is she allowed to follow the prompting of the Holy Ghost and utter forth the prophecy? Is prophesying exempt from the keeping silent in the church "mandate?"

The word "prophesy" (prophēteuō) from Acts 2:18 is defined in Strong's as follows:

to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict to prophesy with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office

These dudes have "home grown" definitions for things. And go figure... those definitions suit their interpretation. lol