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09-18-2007, 04:18 PM
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on the other hand there have been decisions I made based upon what my wife thought... and sometime I made decisions and I should have listened to my wife... so it's give and take...
but for those who say they don't need a man...or woman... they just had too rough a road with the person they were with... everybody needs somebody...
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That's better! 
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09-18-2007, 04:20 PM
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Trust me I have learned to lean on my wife's advice many times..... 
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09-18-2007, 04:21 PM
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1. What is the wife of the materialistic husband supposed to do? Defy her husband by staying at home or go to work?
Breakdown in God's plan. Husband's fault.
2. Do all working women put their children in the arms of strangers? Would it make a difference if they did not?
I have no idea. Do me a favor, define the word "mother." Is a mother only a mother because of biology. What else makes her a mother?
3. Look around at the people you grew up with (not their parents). Which marriages survive today? The stay at home moms; or the materialistic couples; or there is no difference?
Breakdown in God's plan. Man and Woman's fault.
4. What about couples where the wife works so the kids get to know their father instead of having him work all the time?
Why does he need to work all of the time? He can provide without doing so.
5. Where does Scripture define women by their children but not men?
Great point Newman!
6. Is the pastor's wife really only defined as a wife and mother? Or is there extra satisfaction in that "non-working" role?
I didn't know we were talking about pastor's wives only. BTW, I am bi-vocational. My wife is not your typical pastor's wife. She takes care of me so I can take care of the sheep.
7. Why should all marriages be alike? Don't people come with different emotional temperments, energy levels, and gifting? What then gives one the right to tell another man what is best for his family?
What is God's plan?
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You do realize you are illustrating my original point, right?
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09-18-2007, 04:22 PM
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BTW, I could tell stories all day of personal acquaintances who ignore their kids to pursue careers. Somehow they have developed the idiotic impression that money is all kids need from them.
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What heartache awaits them. 
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09-18-2007, 04:23 PM
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I am going home... Do I need to call my wife??? 
and tell her I am making a decision...
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09-18-2007, 04:26 PM
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What heartache awaits them. |
I know Sis.
They drop them off at daycare around 7 AM, get off work around 3:30 PM, go home and take a nap, then go pick their kids up at 6 PM.
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09-18-2007, 04:42 PM
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I am going to assume that boats were an area of expertise for you. What if the decision went to her area of expertise?
And again, are you an oldest child and she a youngest child? |
How are you thinking this plays a role in what he has written?
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Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
1Pe 5:6-7 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
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09-18-2007, 04:50 PM
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Breakdown in God's plan. Husband's fault.
So what whose fault it is. How do you fix the problem? What is the wife supposed to do if her husband values things and wants her to work? This is a quandry that women are put in.
I have no idea. Do me a favor, define the word "mother." Is a mother only a mother because of biology. What else makes her a mother?
Someone who knows the heartbeat and temperment of her children and guides them to reaching their full potential in Christ and honoring God in all they do.
Given my viewpoint of motherhood; I don't see where a job outside of the home is necesarily a detriment to her children (depending on their temperment and needs).
3. Look around at the people you grew up with (not their parents). Which marriages survive today? The stay at home moms; or the materialistic couples; or there is no difference?
Breakdown in God's plan. Man and Woman's fault.
Again. I don't care whose fault it is. What is the reality? Isn't it true that many marriages struggle under a huge economic burden? Is it safe to jepardize one's marriage by not working outside the home when the bills are mounting up?
What of the wife's attractiveness to the husband when she has been at home with the kids all day, every day? How stimulating is the conversation? How much do the parents continue to have in common? I recognize that for some couples this isn't a problem, but for others; it is.
4. What about couples where the wife works so the kids get to know their father instead of having him work all the time?
Why does he need to work all of the time? He can provide without doing so.
Really? All men can easily earn a living that doesn't leave them too exhausted to engage with their families? NOT TRUE.
6. Is the pastor's wife really only defined as a wife and mother? Or is there extra satisfaction in that "non-working" role?
I didn't know we were talking about pastor's wives only. BTW, I am bi-vocational. My wife is not your typical pastor's wife. She takes care of me so I can atke care of the sheep.
And she is in the riskiest position of all. Should you (God forbid) cheat on her; she has no where to go. This is a reality for women everyday of the week. Almost the same thing could be said for dying and disability, but at least there is insurance for that.
7. Why should all marriages be alike? Don't people come with different emotional temperments, energy levels, and gifting? What then gives one the right to tell another man what is best for his family?
What is God's plan?
Show me where God intended for women to only be wives and moms.
Btw- It's about time for me to bow out of the conversation. You know the wife and mom thing! 
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09-18-2007, 06:40 PM
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Breakdown in God's plan. Husband's fault.
So what whose fault it is. How do you fix the problem? What is the wife supposed to do if her husband values things and wants her to work? This is a quandry that women are put in.
I honestly don't know. All I can say is that if he has received solid biblical teaching and refuses to obey he will answer to God for his materialism. Whatever happened to "seek ye first the kingdom of God?"
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I have no idea. Do me a favor, define the word "mother." Is a mother only a mother because of biology. What else makes her a mother?
Someone who knows the heartbeat and temperment of her children and guides them to reaching their full potential in Christ and honoring God in all they do.
Given my viewpoint of motherhood; I don't see where a job outside of the home is necesarily a detriment to her children (depending on their temperment and needs).
Why should someone other than the mother raise the kids? Why have kids if we are just going to pay someone else to raise them? I don't think it is wrong for a woman to work outside of the home. I just see a lot of problems it causes.
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3. Look around at the people you grew up with (not their parents). Which marriages survive today? The stay at home moms; or the materialistic couples; or there is no difference?
Breakdown in God's plan. Man and Woman's fault.
Again. I don't care whose fault it is. What is the reality? Isn't it true that many marriages struggle under a huge economic burden? Is it safe to jepardize one's marriage by not working outside the home when the bills are mounting up?
A lot of them struggle due to misguided priorities. They value things over their children. That mistake puts them on a materialistic treadmill to nowhere.
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What of the wife's attractiveness to the husband when she has been at home with the kids all day, every day? How stimulating is the conversation? How much do the parents continue to have in common? I recognize that for some couples this isn't a problem, but for others; it is.
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4. What about couples where the wife works so the kids get to know their father instead of having him work all the time?
Why does he need to work all of the time? He can provide without doing so.
Really? All men can easily earn a living that doesn't leave them too exhausted to engage with their families? NOT TRUE.
Men don't have to work 80 hours a week.
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6. Is the pastor's wife really only defined as a wife and mother? Or is there extra satisfaction in that "non-working" role?
I didn't know we were talking about pastor's wives only. BTW, I am bi-vocational. My wife is not your typical pastor's wife. She takes care of me so I can atke care of the sheep.
And she is in the riskiest position of all. Should you (God forbid) cheat on her; she has no where to go. This is a reality for women everyday of the week. Almost the same thing could be said for dying and disability, but at least there is insurance for that.
So this is about mistrust? Controlling one's own destiny?
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7. Why should all marriages be alike? Don't people come with different emotional temperments, energy levels, and gifting? What then gives one the right to tell another man what is best for his family?
What is God's plan?
Show me where God intended for women to only be wives and moms.
He didn't. But those roles should never be disdained or minimized (not that you are doing so).
Btw- It's about time for me to bow out of the conversation. You know the wife and mom thing!
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Hey, great questions Newman! How did I do answering?
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09-18-2007, 06:45 PM
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Hey, great questions Newman! How did I do answering?
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I think ya did great! Very honest answers... and you weren't just out to prove your point(s). JMHO
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Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
1Pe 5:6-7 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
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