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Old 10-21-2012, 01:10 AM
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This example of abuse is what comes out over and over again, which is why that horse gets a proverbial beating so long after he is supposedly dead.

Same stuff...the discrediting of people who won't put up with abuse. The same accusations.

Then we get chided when the truth comes out about some of these rascals and are told that we should not be discussing wrong doing on a public form.
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Old 10-21-2012, 04:57 AM
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The bigger question is what perverse motive is made by discussing the alleged acts. Crimes are alleged until guilty verdict is reached. The scripture doesn't give us the right to judge people in the court of public opinion. The case

More importantly, the victims of the alleged crimes deserve better from the body of Christ. The daggers that are meant for the accused are being twisted into the victims. That should be unacceptable.

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This example of abuse is what comes out over and over again, which is why that horse gets a proverbial beating so long after he is supposedly dead.

Same stuff...the discrediting of people who won't put up with abuse. The same accusations.

Then we get chided when the truth comes out about some of these rascals and are told that we should not be discussing wrong doing on a public form.
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:51 AM
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This example of abuse is what comes out over and over again, which is why that horse gets a proverbial beating so long after he is supposedly dead.

Same stuff...the discrediting of people who won't put up with abuse. The same accusations.

Then we get chided when the truth comes out about some of these rascals and are told that we should not be discussing wrong doing on a public form.
Is it wrong to discuss these things?

The answer is an obvious, no.

Is it proper to beat the issue into the dirt, for the enjoyment of people who happen to have issue with a certain movement of Christianity?

The answer is an obvious, no.
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Old 10-21-2012, 08:13 AM
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Re: Pedophilia in Kansas Church

Ok, there is some Scripture for this...
Can't recall it, and haven't read it here.
Which doesn't mean that it isn't on one
of these pages. What is there to discuss,
I wonder, about pedophilia?

It's telling that threads about anything real,
praise,
get a page, while pointless yack like this never dies, imo.

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Old 10-21-2012, 06:55 PM
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The issue I believe is with the events at the referenced site. Unless you tie these behaviors and events with the rest of the certain movement? <innocent question>

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The answer is an obvious, no.
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Old 10-21-2012, 08:07 PM
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The issue I believe is with the events at the referenced site.
Agreed, and nothing more.

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Unless you tie these behaviors and events with the rest of the certain movement? <innocent question>
That is taking it one step beyond.

Like saying, all Muslims want to tie bombs to their children and blow up Israelis.

Every religion should be judged by their best examples, not their worst.
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Is it wrong to discuss these things?

The answer is an obvious, no.

Is it proper to beat the issue into the dirt, for the enjoyment of people who happen to have issue with a certain movement of Christianity?

The answer is an obvious, no.
I suppose I should go into more detail as to what I meant.

To answer your question about beating an issue into the dirt for the enjoyment of people who have issues with the OP movement or any other for that matter. If there are people who actually enjoy somebody else falling away from our Lord through sin, then they ought to recheck their own standing with God. We are talking about somebody's soul here and there should never be rejoicing over another person's sin. This is why I started that thread asking about restoration and what is the church's scriptural policies about restoring a fallen back to God.

But my issue is for the ones in leadership who knowingly impart somebody else's speck (such as not following standards) to other people in the church, then allow it to spread across to other churches so that they would not be welcomed should they feel it is best to leave a church they are not comfortable attending. The backstabbing and whispering is rampant. The telephone lines burn up to the other church body before the departed family ever makes a second service. That is wrong and very few people question what that pastor or other leadership has done to that person and their entire family.


I know that there is leadership that does indeed do this. But when the beam shoots forth from the leadership's eye for something far worse than disobeying a pastor's standards, there are some who want to give that person a pass and tell everybody not to judge when they themselves have judged another with the speck in the eye too harshly themselves.

At that point when the pastor's infraction is made known to the community, the old dead horse gets pulled out and the clubs start flying again.

It will happen every time.

It may have happened elsewhere, but in all my years in pentecost, I've not seen the leadership try to restore a fallen saint through prayer and anointing of oil. By contrast, I have heard of coverups from the leadership for their own family in the effort not to tarnish their ministry. From simple standards violations to outright adultery....even murder.

As for me, I know that there must be some good, sincere men and women in churches, otherwise God would not move in them. I know people still go to churches and receive the Holy Spirit and learn to please God and live a Holy life.
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That is taking it one step beyond.

Like saying, all Muslims want to tie bombs to their children and blow up Israelis.

Every religion should be judged by their best examples, not their worst.
They don't?
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