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11-04-2008, 10:47 PM
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Re: Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity
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I haven't looked at this thread today and have only caught up to page 5 but wanted to respond to this post before crying myself to sleep at the thought of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid now having bigger majorities and a partner in the White House.
I said back then and say now that you guys are mistaken in your belief that Dan wants to take the church to be a dry Anglican one.
You are confusing him not being a strong Oneness advocate with him being a liturgical Anglican.
He is more "pentecostal" than any of the other pastors that have been at CC the nine years I have been here.
The Anglican group he is ordained with is a charismatic one. He preaches and teaches at length about the need for people to have a supernatural experience with God, etc, etc.
You can legitimately gripe all day long that he is not as strong as you would like on Oneness but L.H. Hardwick gets the same rap because they don't condemn trinitarians to hell or think a different view from the godhead or baptism from the Oneness view is salvational. However it is just flat wrong to intimate DS promotes some sort of formal Anglican worship and style of church. He very much believes in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the gifts of the Spirit, etc. Of course he also believes in the fruit of the Spirit which is something not dealt with as much in Pentecostal churches in my experience.
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What about what he did in Arizona?? that's hard to deny
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11-04-2008, 10:53 PM
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Re: Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity
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O wow I didn't know that. If that's not enough to know what to do then I don't know what is
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I'm not condemning OR defending Dan, but this group of Anglicans is supposedly a Spirit filled group, not the traditional Anglicans.
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11-04-2008, 10:55 PM
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Re: Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity
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I'm not condemning OR defending Dan, but this group of Anglicans is supposedly a Spirit filled group, not the traditional Anglicans.
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then why all the crucifixes and hail marys while in AZ ?
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11-04-2008, 10:59 PM
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Re: Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity
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then why all the crucifixes and hail marys while in AZ ?
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Mark, I think some of that was blown out of proportion. I know he did the ashes on the forehead for Ash Wednesday, and was way more liturgical than I'm comfortable with, but I think some of this stuff you heard really did not happen in Phoenix.
Please understand, I don't agree with his ideas, but I do think some of this stuff was told so many times, it got "exaggerated".
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11-04-2008, 11:03 PM
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Re: Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity
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Mark, I think some of that was blown out of proportion. I know he did the ashes on the forehead for Ash Wednesday, and was way more liturgical than I'm comfortable with, but I think some of this stuff you heard really did not happen in Phoenix.
Please understand, I don't agree with his ideas, but I do think some of this stuff was told so many times, it got "exaggerated".
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No maam, I know someone who was on staff there at the time.
He would come down the Isle sprinkling ensence on the crowd
and would have everyone do the sign of the cross, etc
The church didn't split for nothing Sherri
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11-04-2008, 11:14 PM
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Re: Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity
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No maam, I know someone who was on staff there at the time.
He would come down the Isle sprinkling ensence on the crowd
and would have everyone do the sign of the cross, etc
The church didn't split for nothing Sherri
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Ok, you may be right. It just sounds pretty far out there.
I don't like liturgical worship. I don't understand people with Pentecostal backgrounds ever going to that extreme.
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11-05-2008, 08:36 AM
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Re: Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity
I live in the PHX area and have not heard about Dan doing these things. But you never know.
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11-06-2008, 10:15 PM
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Re: Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity
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The Anglican charge was NOT mine I really know nothing about it. Only his view whatever it is on the Godhead.
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I was thinking more of Amos of Amos & Andy fame and there were a few others back then at NFCF that also had the same take.
I don't deny that in AZ he had some strange ideas about integrating some liturgical practices into the church but it was not to replace the charismatic aspects of the church.
If one knows some of what happened in AZ you can read between the lines of some of his sermons that his thoughts have changed in that regard.
The real question for me is whether or not he got all of that out of his system. I agree with 92.7% of what he preaches and teaches so as long as that percentage stays stable I am happy.
CC really has almost no aspects left of being a Oneness church other than baptizing in Jesus name which I have no problem with. I would have a problem if they stopped doing that.
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11-06-2008, 10:29 PM
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Re: Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity
CC1, you abandon us for God knows what, then come in as some ordained authority.... Do you even go to church anymore? sheesh!
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11-07-2008, 08:14 AM
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Re: Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity
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Originally Posted by CC1
I was thinking more of Amos of Amos & Andy fame and there were a few others back then at NFCF that also had the same take.
I don't deny that in AZ he had some strange ideas about integrating some liturgical practices into the church but it was not to replace the charismatic aspects of the church.
If one knows some of what happened in AZ you can read between the lines of some of his sermons that his thoughts have changed in that regard.
The real question for me is whether or not he got all of that out of his system. I agree with 92.7% of what he preaches and teaches so as long as that percentage stays stable I am happy.
CC really has almost no aspects left of being a Oneness church other than baptizing in Jesus name which I have no problem with. I would have a problem if they stopped doing that.
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Dan told me that he experimented with a special liturgical service outside of the regular scheduled services. His purpose was to attract charismatic leaning Anglicans and Catholics, and lead them to truth. The service was an outreach.
Of course, the whole idea blew up when word got around to the regular members.
With this mistake, Dan will NEVER try that idea at Christ Church!
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