8 miles of truckers

[ChristopherHall]

OPEC would simply tell us OK and they would sell oil to China, and we would not have oil.

revisit the law of supply and demand. the demander, doesnt set the price. they cause the price.

Ferd, I just like to see their faces if the United States, their largest consumer, decided to do business like they do Middle Eastern style. They’d threaten to walk away from us.

[ChristopherHall]

Rushing? (lets go back to "Green is the new stupid")

my brother, we have been trying to crack this nut for 30 years. Environmentalists have been lying about it. there is no rush. 30 years is a pretty slow rush.

In context Ferd. I don’t think we should rush into drilling in every available deposit tomorrow. I think we should work in phasing in what areas can be drilled with clear environmental requirements and oversight. As they do a good job, reward them with being able to drill in additional areas. They start destroying wilderness and the environment…freeze them.

I have little respect for companies. I put up with them violating standards constantly. Part of my administrative duties is processing these violations. I don’t trust them.

Environmentalists say doing this will hurt the carabou they said the same thing about Prudho Bay. guess what? PB has caused an increase in the size of the Carabou herds.

Amen. It can be done right. Require that it be done right and hold them to it is all I’m saying.

they say it will distroy the pristine ANWR.... which is 19 million acres.... we want to drill on 1,200 acres.

not exactly ruinous.

We agree, it will not destroy ANWR. However, I still believe in oversight and strong standards.

[ChristopherHall]

Chirs your local Ohio Dems need to move to washington and kick the current crop out. the current crop of dems in washington are idiots of the highest order. you even think the work nuclear and they go nuclear.

The Democrats here in Ohio tend to be a little more conservative than your Washington Democrat. I wish they could kick the current crop out of Washington.

As for the building of new refineries, well here is the thing. the current restrictions are too restrictive for even the current technology.

Who told you that? The oil industry? LOL Of course they would tell you that! LOL I’m pragmatic. If they can specifically negotiate those points of contention maybe some give and take can be done. But let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.

the costs are prohibitive even with the current profits. really. that is the simple case.

They need to think long term. The investment in newer cleaner technologies is a bit steep…but in the long run it will prove to be a good investment.

you are right, oil companies have not even tried to build new refineries because they know it is hopeless.

Dem pwoor owil companies. Give me a break. I’m about to loose my home and because Big Oil thinks it’s too expensive they say it’s hopwess. Geesh dude. They are sticking it to us by playing this game. If they’d suck it up and make the investment for the sake of their freakin’ country maybe things wouldn’t be so bad. Dude…my family might be homeless by Christmas. That’s just the way things are. And I’m going to have to invest in what I have to do to survive. I don’t feel sorry for the oil companies one bit. They are either on our side or they’re not.

I blame the Dems for expecting oil companies to obey the law…and blame the oil companies for holding America’s pocket book hostage in the hopes that they can make the laws be changed to favor them.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Ferd, I just like to see their faces if the United States, their largest consumer, decided to do business like they do Middle Eastern style. They’d threaten to walk away from us.

it wouldnt matter one bit. they would just say OK....

by they way, the US government doesnt "buy" oil. Companies like Exxon and Shell etc buy oil from different places, or they drill for oil in different places.

it isnt as simple as the Government saying "change the price or we stop buying"

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

The Democrats here in Ohio tend to be a little more conservative than your Washington Democrat. I wish they could kick the current crop out of Washington.



Who told you that? The oil industry? LOL Of course they would tell you that! LOL I’m pragmatic. If they can specifically negotiate those points of contention maybe some give and take can be done. But let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.



They need to think long term. The investment in newer cleaner technologies is a bit steep…but in the long run it will prove to be a good investment.



Dem pwoor owil companies. Give me a break. I’m about to loose my home and because Big Oil thinks it’s too expensive they say it’s hopwess. Geesh dude. They are sticking it to us by playing this game. If they’d suck it up and make the investment for the sake of their freakin’ country maybe things wouldn’t be so bad. Dude…my family might be homeless by Christmas. That’s just the way things are. And I’m going to have to invest in what I have to do to survive. I don’t feel sorry for the oil companies one bit. They are either on our side or they’re not.

I blame the Dems for expecting oil companies to obey the law…and blame the oil companies for holding America’s pocket book hostage in the hopes that they can make the laws be changed to favor them.

first of all, nobody "told me that". I have read more than a few news accounts, it is pretty much common knowlege Chris....

and as for them poor oil companies. dude, why spend billions on a refinery when they can do what they are doing now and make billions.

the issue is increasing supply. Oil companies are happy to make billions with demand outstripping supply.

the supply issue is a government bottle neck. not a business conspiracy.

I am sorry you have a housing situation. but bro, sell your house, refinance or file bankrupsy, and move into an appartment. you have a job. You wont be under a bridge.

I have been there. lived thru it and have the t-shirt and scars to prove it.

it aint the governments job to fix you. that would be yours. You are smart and young. I believe in you and know you will land on your feet!

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

That 9% is an awesome amount of money. They can afford the taxes and it wouldn’t cut that deeply into their profit margin at all. I don’t believe in taxing them into oblivion…I just believe they need to carry some of the weight or leave the country.

Chirs. who pays the taxes when a business is taxed?

[DanielR]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Chirs. who pays the taxes when a business is taxed?

Although I'm not Chris, I do know the answer to that one. When a business is taxed, the business passes on that extra expense to Unregistered the consumer.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Once again you fall for this silly line. Spending needs to be cut drastically. I agree with that. Drastically draconian....

Amen.

But spending and tax cuts are not connected.

You see tax cuts as taking money from the government. Time and again, reality has proven that wrong!

Bro…I work for the government. I was in Housing Inspection and much of our efforts to fight urban blight was funded by CDBG. They cut CDBG funding…why? To facilitate tax cuts. So we ran a deficit and had to scale back efforts to fight urban blight by reducing the number of Conservation Specialists. If it takes so much to run the government and you’re not generating that much in revenues…you will run a deficit. If you remember Reagan’s philosophy, tax cuts were always provided with cuts in spending and services. Bush took Reagan’s economic philosophy and turned it on it’s head. That’s why Reagan conservatives are frustrated with Bush. You should know that bro.

EVERY time taxes have been cut, we have seen a sharp increase in tax receipts. Why? Cutting taxes benefits the economy, when that happens; there is more income to tax.

I must have missed the report on how we have more jobs and higher wages today in comparison to cost of living than we did 8 years ago.

So this game of tax cuts connected to spending cuts is simply a lie.

If I didn’t know better I’d say you must have a large degree of credit debt. LOL That’s one thing I’m thankful for. Our family has one credit card for emergencies and we’ve only used it twice in the past 3 years for the Jeep. No unsecured debt here. I can’t see how some folks are going to make it.

Reagan was clear…you give tax cuts in conjunction with cuts in spending so as to prevent, or at best, reduce deficit spending. Reagan cut spending and taxes. Bush increased spending and cut taxes. Hmmmmm. That’s like me taking on more expenses and downgrading to a job at Taco Bell. This is why Bush is often regarded as a phony conservative. LOL

Chris, the lobbied for this BECAUSE they were being forced to write loans in bad neighborhoods and they knew with the old restrictions, they would not get anyone qualified. then they would be hit with penalties!

they didnt have a choice!

Ah…but they did have a choice. Variable rate loans are predatory and were only one of many options. They could have taken it to the courts and challenged the 1995 Community Reinvestment Act. They choose to issue these bad loans for the sake of profits.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by DanielR

Although I'm not Chris, I do know the answer to that one. When a business is taxed, the business passes on that extra expense to Unregistered the consumer.

DING DING DING DING!!!!

[YOU] Pay the tax!

Mr/Mrs Consumer gets the bill!

[Ferd]

Chris, you need to stop working for the government.