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11-16-2012, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by revdtzombik
When a man or woman of God begin to be used in any form of the five-fold ministry, it will either humble them in the sight of a mighty God OR it will lift them up into pride....and therefore, pride can take people down a dangerous path..to love the attention, the money, the lifestyle , and the fame...making the wrong choices thinking they are above the laws of even what they preach...
Then the manipulation begins and that itself births followers whom become blind to the "real" spirit of the manipulator.....
Staying the Word, in prayer, in a lifestyle of accountablity to others and to our God, is our hope ....
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^this!
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11-16-2012, 07:42 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by revdtzombik
When a man or woman of God begin to be used in any form of the five-fold ministry, it will either humble them in the sight of a mighty God OR it will lift them up into pride....and therefore, pride can take people down a dangerous path..to love the attention, the money, the lifestyle , and the fame...making the wrong choices thinking they are above the laws of even what they preach...
Then the manipulation begins and that itself births followers whom become blind to the "real" spirit of the manipulator.....
Staying the Word, in prayer, in a lifestyle of accountablity to others and to our God, is our hope ....
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Amen!! 
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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11-16-2012, 08:44 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by StillStanding
You can go ahead and assume that anything I say or do is wrong! (According to my wife!) j/k hehehehe
With the apparent attitude that TB has shown toward these events, I pity anyone who would follow him to a new church he might start!
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That's the crux of the matter...the attitude of the erring saint.
Arrogance, as in, "I am above reproach...who are you to try to handle ME?!"
Denial, as in, "Who, ME? I'm not the man!"
Greedy, as in, "I am entitled to this and that...you owe me for my years of service..."
Threats, as in, "Meet my demands or my lawyer will be contacting you..."
This and more speaks of a man with a big-head spirit. This idea that "it's all about meeeeee" is what gets people into trouble in the first place.
The flip-side...
True repentance bringing remorse, as in, "I am the man...I admit it! My heart is heavy with the anguish my sin has caused so many!"
The penitent showing fruit of repentance...for example, if they stole/misappropriated church funds, they will seek to restore it.
Gladly receiving mentoring and direction by the elders, understanding that the restoration of their soul is the most important part of this process...
I tell you, the older I get the more I am convinced that everything we gain or lose in the realm of the Spirit is hinged, not on God, who is willing that all come to repentance, but in our attitude.
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11-16-2012, 10:30 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
CC1 regarding your comments of old time Apostolic churches, that church is relatively well known in the UPC. It is known for racial diversity as well as diversity in income and classes. I doubt that the church is old time in the sense you are assuming. If you do any research into that church, you will find it is probably on better footing than you assume.
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11-17-2012, 06:14 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Peacemaker
CC1 regarding your comments of old time Apostolic churches, that church is relatively well known in the UPC. It is known for racial diversity as well as diversity in income and classes. I doubt that the church is old time in the sense you are assuming. If you do any research into that church, you will find it is probably on better footing than you assume.
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Peacemaker,
I have no doubt that this is a somewhat multicultural church with many educated and well employed saints. With that said I am still willing to bet the farm that out of around 800 people 100-150 would follow their long time pastor to a new work in the same town.
While I myself have not been UPC for a long time I still have many relatives and friends who are including some in full time ministry. I still visit a number of UPC churches regularly and listen a lot to what my friends and relatives still in it say.
The biggest change I see since I left is that many of the larger churches have adopted a two tier standing of saints with those not adhering to the dress code being welcome but not allowed to participate beyond worship ( for example no teaching, singing in the choir, etc allowed for those heathen women with cut hair, makeup, jewelry, etc)
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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11-18-2012, 09:10 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by CC1
Peacemaker,
I have no doubt that this is a somewhat multicultural church with many educated and well employed saints. With that said I am still willing to bet the farm that out of around 800 people 100-150 would follow their long time pastor to a new work in the same town.
While I myself have not been UPC for a long time I still have many relatives and friends who are including some in full time ministry. I still visit a number of UPC churches regularly and listen a lot to what my friends and relatives still in it say.
The biggest change I see since I left is that many of the larger churches have adopted a two tier standing of saints with those not adhering to the dress code being welcome but not allowed to participate beyond worship ( for example no teaching, singing in the choir, etc allowed for those heathen women with cut hair, makeup, jewelry, etc)
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WOW!!!
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11-18-2012, 09:45 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by Tlswift2009
WOW!!!
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Splain your "wow"!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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11-18-2012, 11:04 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
CC that is called judgemental and generalizing. I'm surprised with that kind of attitude you are allowed to be a moderator. Perhaps it speaks to the quality of this forum, period.
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11-19-2012, 04:12 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
CC1 is correct.
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Originally Posted by Peacemaker
CC that is called judgemental and generalizing. I'm surprised with that kind of attitude you are allowed to be a moderator. Perhaps it speaks to the quality of this forum, period.
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
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11-19-2012, 07:19 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Originally Posted by CC1
Peacemaker,
I have no doubt that this is a somewhat multicultural church with many educated and well employed saints. With that said I am still willing to bet the farm that out of around 800 people 100-150 would follow their long time pastor to a new work in the same town.
While I myself have not been UPC for a long time I still have many relatives and friends who are including some in full time ministry. I still visit a number of UPC churches regularly and listen a lot to what my friends and relatives still in it say.
The biggest change I see since I left is that many of the larger churches have adopted a two tier standing of saints with those not adhering to the dress code being welcome but not allowed to participate beyond worship ( for example no teaching, singing in the choir, etc allowed for those heathen women with cut hair, makeup, jewelry, etc)
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Of course, what do you expect? If a church believes jewelry, cut hair etc... is sin then I would expect those who do it to not be used.
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
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