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THAT IS THE TRUTH!!!
The tradition of the Veil came the catholic church- That cannot be Denied.
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Sorry you are wrong-o., its BIBLE., period., can't change that.
Headcoverings may vary in style, and lace ones could be traced back to spain (they do make the best lace veils) but way before catholicism, decent women covered their heads.
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11-27-2007, 08:17 PM
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3 generation usually understands it but don't speak it.
by the 4th gereration they can't even understand it.
My father could only understand his native tongue(he was 2nd generation) because my grandmother couldn't speak or understand english. she was not allowed to work or be educated so no chance to learn it either. Just stay home and hordes of Kids, cook & clean lol
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I am first gen and fluent in both english and spanish my sons only know English though (mybad) the oldest son has fortuneately learned it, {GOD was preparing him} so that when he attends AAFCJ church this week for the first time in a long time, he is ready to get into it whether its in english spanish or mixed.  : THANK YOU JESUS! I love church services in spanish! Awesome!
English too! GOD's WORD is UNIVERSAL!
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11-27-2007, 08:24 PM
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Simply .... con respeto.
The veil is not a BIBLE commandment... it's poor exegesis of one passage.
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11-27-2007, 10:25 PM
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Simply .... con respeto.
The veil is not a BIBLE commandment... it's poor exegesis of one passage.
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Whats poor to one may be rich to another.  I appreciate what you are saying, and
sure it does not say in clear plain english (  )
"Woman THOU MUST cover thy head with a fabric" (like that), BUT bible mention to the effect that a "woman should not pray or prophesy with her head uncovered" (very para) sure sounds close enough to me, and plenty other sisters,  *shrug* although for me its much more., personally I've never had any issue with it whatsoever; I gladly learned from the elder sisters (pastors never said anything) except for years later the pastor gave a study on it to interested sisters as a special sat. afternoon study.
I of course attended., and it was eye opening to say the least I just wish I could remember it all, or that I still had my chicken scratch notes., had I not gotten that study I would STILL know its right to wear it. GOD has confirmed it firmly enough in my soul.
Sooo whatever anyone may say or think., I am quite confident in my decision., I keep my head covered lots, as I pray w/o ceasing (so to speak).
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Whats poor to one may be rich to another. I appreciate what you are saying, and
sure it does not say in clear plain english ( )
"Woman THOU MUST cover thy head with a fabric" (like that), BUT bible mention to the effect that a "woman should not pray or prophesy with her head uncovered" (very para) sure sounds close enough to me, and plenty other sisters, *shrug* although for me its much more., personally I've never had any issue with it whatsoever; I gladly learned from the elder sisters (pastors never said anything) except for years later the pastor gave a study on it to interested sisters as a special sat. afternoon study.
I of course attended., and it was eye opening to say the least I just wish I could remember it all, or that I still had my chicken scratch notes., had I not gotten that study I would STILL know its right to wear it. GOD has confirmed it firmly enough in my soul.
Sooo whatever anyone may say or think., I am quite confident in my decision., I keep my head covered lots, as I pray w/o ceasing (so to speak). |
If you have a Spanish Bible handy, can you please give us that particular section of the chapter in Spanish? I believe that the Spanish translation is very clear that the hair is the covering mentioned. Something along the lines...."that the hair is given IN PLACE OF/INSTEAD OF A VEIL...."
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You mean "qiencenieras" right? *something that WE {mi familia} never got into*
Well the "upper crust" WHITE BREAD social gals have their BIG "coming out" todo's also..don't tell me the Spanish religious(?) culture inspired them, too? ooh don't tell THEM that!
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the whites got it from their passed down culture too. Im not sure why you are sounding all angry. What's your problem? Cultures have been influenced by religion and in particular Roman Catholicism in Europe and South America. American was heavily influenced by protestantism in particular the Puritans
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the whites got it from their passed down culture too. Im not sure why you are sounding all angry. What's your problem? Cultures have been influenced by religion and in particular Roman Catholicism in Europe and South America. American was heavily influenced by protestantism in particular the Puritans
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Agreed Prax, as stated earlier, this in and of it'self does not strengthen nor weaken the arguement, though.
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Agreed Prax, as stated earlier, this in and of it'self does not strengthen nor weaken the arguement, though.
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I wasn't making an argument against veils, though. I wasn't trying to make an argument at all. I was agreeing only with the observation that the veils worn by Spanish Assemblies seem to be carry overs from the Spanish Roman Catholicism that influenced Mexico. I have no doubt they believe it's a biblical mandate, but there is no biblical information as to various size and colors depending on marital status.
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I wasn't making an argument against veils, though. I wasn't trying to make an argument at all. I was agreeing only with the observation that the veils worn by Spanish Assemblies seem to be carry overs from the Spanish Roman Catholicism that influenced Mexico. I have no doubt they believe it's a biblical mandate, but there is no biblical information as to various size and colors depending on marital status.
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LOL! Ok then. It's just that carryovers of Roman Catholicism are not viewed with much favor.
I do understand what you are saying.
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the whites got it from their passed down culture too. Im not sure why you are sounding all angry. What's your problem? Cultures have been influenced by religion and in particular Roman Catholicism in Europe and South America. American was heavily influenced by protestantism in particular the Puritans
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Well sorry if it appears that way, I may be overly sensitive in this area., and/or don't know how to explain my issues with this. I know you all didn't mean anything., CARRY ON.
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