Islam vs. Christianity Part 1

[Walks_in_islam]

Considering John in revelations "God keeps a record of all of his rights and wrongs" and furthermore stating that all of us will be judged according to our works or deeds it is a waste of words attributing that to me, to Muslims, or to anyone else living today. If that is not true, take it out of the next version like the first 11 verses of chapter 8 in the Gospel of John were taken out. Feel free to vote them out like Mark 16:19, Luke 24:15, and John 8 1-10which were removed in the RSV in 1952 (then later restored in 1972 - laughing - do make your minds up it just plain looks bad when "inspired scripture" has to be continuously removed, restored, and polished every few years to mean whatever the flavor of the time decides it means)

Coming from someone who follows a book re-written so badly that they authors couldn't even get something as simple as the names of the 12 apostles of Jesus right (Matthew 10 and Mark 3 has one list while Luke 6 has another) certainly does not give much weight to your words. Point out the direct and specific contradictions in the Quran if you will. I contend that I have noted many from the Bible while asking about them and the only answer I received was "they teach us that in our first two years of bible college". I contend that I am not surprised about the two year thing. So, starting with a simple question - who WERE the 12 disciples of Christ? Since the original Aramaic and Hebrew texts were destroyed by the same council who eliminated anything written by anyone who actually lived and walked with Jesus it is likely that you (or I) will ever know.

Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

I think "Walks in Islam" is so used to living under a specific set of laws, and nothing else (Friday worship at a Mosque, no pork, prayer 5 times a day, go to Mecca at least once in his life, etc., etc.) that he can never understand Christianity. To him, God keeps a record of all of his rights and wrongs. Yet as Isaiah said, "his righteousness is as filthy rags." I think his cynical attitude only applies to us examining Christianity, and not the reverse. I don't think he ever dares to ask if Muhammed was illiterate or anything else like that, or the contradictions within Islam. He'd be beheaded if he did.

[shawndell]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

NEWS: When you bring your unwelcome arrogant attitudes and message to other countries, and get them addressed with prejudice, do not whine about it: Stop and consider that if you were offering something good, something people actually see as good and something they wanted, they would welcome you. You offer nothing of value, so you are not welcomed. Do you get it? People want something good, something of value, something that will change their lives. Instead, they get you and your kind. No wonder they react so forcefully.

You then twitter among yourselves inventing outside "enemies" (of your own making, usually raggedy villagers) to pound senseless while your neighborhoods, cities, states, and nation decay around you. If anything you had to offer was life-changing or valuable the change would certainly be expected to start in your own neighborhoods.

The thought of beheadings, executions, or otherwise bothers me very little. I will die someday anyway, and I will face God and state that I did what was in front of me to do, did not shirk on what I was supposed to do, and He may then do as he wishes with me. Your shallow, foolish words on this do not matter now nor will they matter then. I fully intend to ask Him why He sprinkled smelly little piles of you on His otherwise beautiful earth. It is a question I have. Many around the world have that same question.

Chicken??? I and my family live in a place where any day, any time I could be mistaken for one of you and killed outright - just to send a message to you to show how little value you offer to the world and unwelcome you are to the rest of the world. It however appears that I walk these streets daily anyway - and this does not bother me. You will probably need to qualify that chicken thing a bit. The chicken is leaving piles that resemble your message of "love" and "hope" to the world.

If a true child of God goes to another country to give the truth of the new birth into the Kingdom of God and they reject it then they become the children of perdition when broken down that means the child of satan.God knows in advance who his children are from the beginning of time,and there are only two sets of children on this plannet,Gods and satans!We christians are not to cast our pearl among the swine!When you dont choose Jesus you choose satan and thats the bottom line!!The wheat will be seperated from the tares or weeds if you will!!

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ever read "Because They Hate"?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...5-AC09EC3754FB

No, but I have heard the author interviewed on various radio stations at least 5 times. I think I do have it on my bookshelf though. I believe a "neutral" house would be somnething like Pakistan or Jordan, which appear to be neutral, but are playing games with us.

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

My arms are laid down. They are safely sitting back in the good ole US of A where they were made and sold. World peace indeed. Where do the implements of war come from anyway? Who made, developed, trained, propped up, and supplied the Osamas and Taliban of the world anyway? You say "Muslims" and indeed you will make me laugh.

NOTE and FYI: God does not allow the destruction of those who walk in His path and follow His laws. He NEVER has. Your faith in Him is impressive though. With your version of faith, perhaps it would be better hold on to all those weapons after all. How sad though. As you erode from within you will realize that all the weapons, bombs, and guns did you no good. The outcome of turning away from God is the same since the beginning of time and nothing changes it. Put YOUR weapons down and walk these streets with nothing but faith like I do before you spout about your "gospel of love" from behind a scope aimed at people who believe in God the way I believe in Him.

There are NO gun shops, gun manufacturers, gun suppliers around here. What are those 30 wars being fought with then? OH, i forgot. How rude of me. They are fought with the "gospel of love" that you people export. Real extermination of real people takes place in places like the Palestenian camps with bullets stamped "made in USA". You can keep your "gospel of love" and save it for a time you export that instead of exporting bullets, guns, and other instruments of violence. That time never has come and will never come. Conclusion: Keep it then and bat it around at your parties among yourselves while your community withers in darkness.

Ha. The Palestinians? You're going to use them as an example? Really? Come on, now. Get real. They were thrown out of every Arab country they tried to live in. Yassir Arafat had to flee Egypt dressed as a woman. The other Muslims despise the Palestinians. They're nothing but troublemakers even among your own people.

No guns shops over there? that's funny, everytime I see them celebrate, they fire off guns into the air (I wonder how many Muslims have been killed by the bullets coming back down?).

And yes, God certainly does allow the "destruction" of those who walk in his path. He allowed Jesus to die on a cross for your sins. He does it to accomplish a goal. To save you from sins you can never wash away, no matter how many stones you throw at that black rock in Mecca. Besides, if you really felt that God never allows the "destruction" of those who walk in His path, then why in the world do even follow Islam. Doesn't it say in the Quran/Koran that Allah will not allow his enemies to conquer Muslims? But what about the crusades? We (Christians) beat the snot out of Muslims over 800 years ago, and they've been ticked off ever since. We've beaten you (Muslims) more than once, too. You're being a hypocrite when you say that "God" doesn't allow the destruction of his people.

Did you ever watch Star Trek when you lived here in the good old U S of A? Well, the Muslims remind me an awful lot of the Klingons in Star Trek. In fact, I joke with my wife whenever I hear people speaking Arabic over here and say "they're speaking Klingon." Always wanting war, war, war.

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The particular passage mentioned is not a Muslim passage at all. This is advice to you from your own Bible. It is a start to healing your own neighborhoods and communities and in advising this there is certainly and absolutely no personal gain to me. The fact that every time it is mentioned it is resented says much about you people BTW. Another thing to note.

I agree. Yet I see scores of Muslims driving around in cars that say the very next verse in Joshua: "As for me and my house, we will serve Allah." That's not a verse from the Koran/Quran. I snicker when I see it. They're just validating the authenticity of the Bible. Not the Quran/Koran/(who ran)?

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Jesus himself prayed to "Eloi" from his cross. The personal term for God in Aramaic is Alaha. This was the mother tongue of Jesus. In Hebrew it is Alah, Elah, or Eloh. The name for God in Islam is Allah, it has roots to those tongues.

Have you ever done research as to the origin of words such as Allah? It was originally a pagan moon god. You know, like the crescent (moon) in many of your Muslim countries. Muhammed merely tried to all of the warring tribes. the origin of the black stone in Mecca is also pagan, and began long before 622 A.D.
Merely because the words Allah and Elio seem to resemble eachother doesn't mean much. If I say "Blah, Blah" as opposed to Allah, am I praying to any God? And as to tongues, well, we all have one (except when Muslims cut them out as a punishment for something. Like speaking?)

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

For the record the only point of answering the nonsense about Islam on this site is to present another view.

Ummm. Duh. That's why we're here as well. We'd be sad to see you go. But you still haven't answered many of our questions. But if we ask the wrong thing, you suddenly become "The Tasmanian Devil" like in The Looney Tunes cartoons. Blah Er agga uh tee ho vaga eeerk. Quite a visual cartoon bubble in our heads.

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Considering John in revelations "God keeps a record of all of his rights and wrongs" and furthermore stating that all of us will be judged according to our works or deeds it is a waste of words attributing that to me, to Muslims, or to anyone else living today. If that is not true, take it out of the next version like the first 11 verses of chapter 8 in the Gospel of John were taken out. Feel free to vote them out like Mark 16:19, Luke 24:15, and John 8 1-10which were removed in the RSV in 1952 (then later restored in 1972 - laughing - do make your minds up it just plain looks bad when "inspired scripture" has to be continuously removed, restored, and polished every few years to mean whatever the flavor of the time decides it means)

You mean you actually have a copy of the Bible over there? I tried finding one when I was in the Hotel in Bahrain. Nope. Only a Quran (written in Arabic). Fat lotta good that does me. Guess there's nothing like The Gideons over there. They've got bullets to load.

[shawndell]

Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

I think "Walks in Islam" is so used to living under a specific set of laws, and nothing else (Friday worship at a Mosque, no pork, prayer 5 times a day, go to Mecca at least once in his life, etc., etc.) that he can never understand Christianity. To him, God keeps a record of all of his rights and wrongs. Yet as Isaiah said, "his righteousness is as filthy rags." I think his cynical attitude only applies to us examining Christianity, and not the reverse. I don't think he ever dares to ask if Muhammed was illiterate or anything else like that, or the contradictions within Islam. He'd be beheaded if he did.

Brother Thomas Im just wondering why he is even on AFF?This is a Christian forum,and I think we got a devil in the house.

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Coming from someone who follows a book re-written so badly that they authors couldn't even get something as simple as the names of the 12 apostles of Jesus right (Matthew 10 and Mark 3 has one list while Luke 6 has another) certainly does not give much weight to your words. Point out the direct and specific contradictions in the Quran if you will. I contend that I have noted many from the Bible while asking about them and the only answer I received was "they teach us that in our first two years of bible college". I contend that I am not surprised about the two year thing. So, starting with a simple question - who WERE the 12 disciples of Christ? Since the original Aramaic and Hebrew texts were destroyed by the same council who eliminated anything written by anyone who actually lived and walked with Jesus it is likely that you (or I) will ever know.

Why is it you want me to answer those questions when you won't answer any about Islam and it's countless contradictions. As Aisha is said to have to have mentioned about Muhammed when he accused Aisha of "adultery (a 9 year old adulteress?): "Allah always seems ready to give a revelation to him just at the right time."
But again, is that your best puzzler on the Bible that you can throw at us? A difference in names by 2 different authors? Come on now. You can find the answer to that on the internet if that's what really puzzles you.