Islam vs. Christianity Part 1

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

NEWS: When you bring your unwelcome arrogant attitudes and message to other countries, and get them addressed with prejudice, do not whine about it: Stop and consider that if you were offering something good, something people actually see as good and something they wanted, they would welcome you. You offer nothing of value, so you are not welcomed. Do you get it? People want something good, something of value, something that will change their lives. Instead, they get you and your kind. No wonder they react so forcefully.

You then twitter among yourselves inventing outside "enemies" (of your own making, usually raggedy villagers) to pound senseless while your neighborhoods, cities, states, and nation decay around you. If anything you had to offer was life-changing or valuable the change would certainly be expected to start in your own neighborhoods.

The thought of beheadings, executions, or otherwise bothers me very little. I will die someday anyway, and I will face God and state that I did what was in front of me to do, did not shirk on what I was supposed to do, and He may then do as he wishes with me. Your shallow, foolish words on this do not matter now nor will they matter then. I fully intend to ask Him why He sprinkled smelly little piles of you on His otherwise beautiful earth. It is a question I have. Many around the world have that same question.

Chicken??? I and my family live in a place where any day, any time I could be mistaken for one of you and killed outright - just to send a message to you to show how little value you offer to the world and unwelcome you are to the rest of the world. It however appears that I walk these streets daily anyway - and this does not bother me. You will probably need to qualify that chicken thing a bit. The chicken is leaving piles that resemble your message of "love" and "hope" to the world.

For the record, I have nothing against you (I don't know you) , but I do despise the religious foolishness that you are spewing! Your religion of hate and control doesn't resonate well in a society accustomed to freedom of religion.

With your religion of deception, you are better off anyways where people mostly agree with you. There are not as many gullible people in the USA that would be receptive to your fallacy!

I see that you are happy and live a perfected life overseas somewhere. Why don't you and your new-found friends please leave us alone, so WE can be happy and blessed by god?

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I will die someday anyway, and I will face God and state that I did what was in front of me to do, did not shirk on what I was supposed to do, and He may then do as he wishes with me.

But are you following the right God? That is the biggest question of all.
Are you really happy always following a list of do's and don't, rather than realizing you can never be perfect. The perfect (Christ) died in your place (for the imperfect). Even Christ is greater than Muhammed in your own Quran. Yet you follow Muhammed. Why?

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

NEWS: When you bring your unwelcome arrogant attitudes and message to other countries, and get them addressed with prejudice, do not whine about it: Stop and consider that if you were offering something good, something people actually see as good and something they wanted, they would welcome you. You offer nothing of value, so you are not welcomed. Do you get it? People want something good, something of value, something that will change their lives. Instead, they get you and your kind. No wonder they react so forcefully.

How do you do this when things like compassion and love are viewed as a weakness, and those who practice such a thing are viewed by Muslims as fools? You (Muslims) never examine why we do it. Instead, you view us as idiots, and something in which to be exterminated. If all Muslims in the world today laid down their arms, there would be world wide peace. If we (The U.S. and/or Israel) did such a thing, and destroyed all of our weapons, we would be killed immediately. There are over 30 wars throughout the world. The majority, if not all, involve Muslims (including Muslim vs. Muslim). Maybe a gospel of hatred and a gospel of love can never exist in your world. If you want changed lives and something of value, accept Christianity.

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

NEWS:
You then twitter among yourselves inventing outside "enemies" (of your own making, usually raggedy villagers) to pound senseless while your neighborhoods, cities, states, and nation decay around you. If anything you had to offer was life-changing or valuable the change would certainly be expected to start in your own neighborhoods.

If you examine the Old Testament at any length, you will see that this is spoken about in the Bible. I believe it's in Joshua where it says "If my people, who are called by My Name, shall humble themselves and pray, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will heal their land.
I find it interesting that in the last few years, I've seen Muslims in the U.S. quoting this very passage (which originated from the Jews), and changing it to Allah.
Strange that Muslims will quote an Old Testament verse, as if it originated from Muhammed, rather than Joshua (which is an O.T. word for Jesus.
There are other verses in both the Old and New Testament that speak of this as well.
Twitter? I think this (AFF) is more of a blog than a "twitter."

[Thomas Trini]

Wii,
What is your opinion of Dr. Caner and Caner, who left Islam?
TT

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

I didn't do that in order. But I think the third house is neutral. I know the first 2 are right.

Ever read "Because They Hate"?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...5-AC09EC3754FB

[Walks_in_islam]

For the record the only point of answering the nonsense about Islam on this site is to present another view. You are decidedly welcome to your version of weak, shallow, lukewarm devotion to God, but....please stop acting stunned when said version is decidedly noted as unwelcome to the rest of the world. You probably limit said version to idle chatter at your own parties where each of you can pat, support, and validate each other' views and comfortably live out your lives doing so. (based on data, I would agree with you in full that there appear to be few gullable people in your own neighborhoods who accept YOUR nonsense much less MY "foolishness"). If prayer, fasting, charity, and One-God, which are the basic elements of Islam and which you say I have "spewed" as "religious foolishness", then certainly that "religiousness foolishness" was spewed thousands of years ago. Call it deception or anything you want. If it is, then every action above took roots from the beginning of time when God first laid out his requirements in your own bible so what say you to that? Implying that said foolishness originated with me or even with the Quran ranges from laughable to pathetic. When EVERY GROWN MAN in your neighborhood stops his day once a week to go to your local church and listen and pray then I believe you can say that your message has value to your community. When your community is free of drugs and alcohol you can say your message has value. When your community is free of guns you can say your message has value. When your community is free of debt you can say your message has value. When your wife or daughter is safe on the streets of your community because the people around you truly believe in their hearts that they are not to bother them then you can say that your message has value. I know your message well I have lived it. I also know your communities well I grew up in them. None of these things are true. I, (like most of your fellow americans) reject what you are selling because there is no value, no change, no peace, no love, no hope, and no good in it. Your churches are BUSINESSES and that is all that can be said of them. Like politicians, your pastors have for the most part never worked a day in their lives but propose to advise those who do on how to live their lives. They are not in the least bit like Jesus, who did work among, live among, and suffer with those he taught. They have not experienced the day-to-day struggles of normal, working people and in my mind are not in the least bit qualified to guide them. God bless the pastors who do live and teach like Jesus did. There are so few of them.

Imams FYI and on the other hand do not receive money from those they teach. They do not collect salaries or negotiate packages from their communities. They are working people who have their own jobs in their communities. That difference alone from the shiny hair-sprayed pastors of today who spend far more time negotiating packages than they ever spend teaching around their communities should be at a minimum a subject of discussion (among yourselves please). Like you, your pastors and teachers instead limit themselves to their self-absorbed, back-patting groups and rarely venture out among the "publicans and sinners". If you don't know why I will tell you. They have nothing of value to offer to those communities and dealing with "publicans and sinners" certainly is not a good 'business model' for a 'growing church'.

You call my religion hate and control from resentment only that yours is not accepted either at home and abroad. Advice - get out among the PEOPLE around you and show them something of value that will change their lives and offer them something they can live by and live for. Every Muslim I know stands for every value you are supposed to be sharing.

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

For the record, I have nothing against you (I don't know you) , but I do despise the religious foolishness that you are spewing! Your religion of hate and control doesn't resonate well in a society accustomed to freedom of religion.

With your religion of deception, you are better off anyways where people mostly agree with you. There are not as many gullible people in the USA that would be receptive to your fallacy!

I see that you are happy and live a perfected life overseas somewhere. Why don't you and your new-found friends please leave us alone, so WE can be happy and blessed by god?

[Walks_in_islam]

Jesus himself prayed to "Eloi" from his cross. The personal term for God in Aramaic is Alaha. This was the mother tongue of Jesus. In Hebrew it is Alah, Elah, or Eloh. The name for God in Islam is Allah, it has roots to those tongues. God's law originated with Abraham. The Quran references many, many Old Testament Prophets (by name) as messengers of God and as messengers their words are part of God's law. The Quran cautions that one should follow the words of all of these messengers. YOU say "originated with Mohammed". The Quran lists Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Lot, Moses, Aaron, Ezekiel, David, Solomon, Elias, Elisha, Jonah, Zechariah, John, and Jesus as being Messengers of God. At least, when showing your piercing wit, try not to be deceptive and surely try not to marginalize these words from your own bibles just because they come from me. "shooting the messenger" does not change the outcome of the message as the Isrealites discovered many times to their misfortune when they turned away from it. "Muslims" and "Muslim countries" who modify, hijack for their own gain or power, and turn away from this message discover this regularly BTW, to their own misfortune. The words of each messenger from God are attributed to the messenger who originally stated them and are certainly (and correctly) attributed to them as Gods message to people. The words that spell out God's laws in the Quran are in your own bibles. Which, is why, earlier, even I advised you to pick up and read and know your own bibles. Following your bible as a guide to live your life certainly requires nothing else, as stated in the Quran in reference to "people of the book who follow the laws of the book" aka christians. It is the oldest temptation of the devil - to convince one to pick and choose what and which parts of God's law are palatable and which are not, resulting in a watered-down version and a win for him anyway. Take note of this.

The particular passage mentioned is not a Muslim passage at all. This is advice to you from your own Bible. It is a start to healing your own neighborhoods and communities and in advising this there is certainly and absolutely no personal gain to me. The fact that every time it is mentioned it is resented says much about you people BTW. Another thing to note.

Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

If you examine the Old Testament at any length, you will see that this is spoken about in the Bible. I believe it's in Joshua where it says "If my people, who are called by My Name, shall humble themselves and pray, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will heal their land.
I find it interesting that in the last few years, I've seen Muslims in the U.S. quoting this very passage (which originated from the Jews), and changing it to Allah.
Strange that Muslims will quote an Old Testament verse, as if it originated from Muhammed, rather than Joshua (which is an O.T. word for Jesus.
There are other verses in both the Old and New Testament that speak of this as well.
Twitter? I think this (AFF) is more of a blog than a "twitter."

[Walks_in_islam]

I believe it was GOD who said it.

Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

If you examine the Old Testament at any length, you will see that this is spoken about in the Bible. I believe it's in Joshua where it says "If my people, who are called by My Name, shall humble themselves and pray, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will heal their land.
I find it interesting that in the last few years, I've seen Muslims in the U.S. quoting this very passage (which originated from the Jews), and changing it to Allah.
Strange that Muslims will quote an Old Testament verse, as if it originated from Muhammed, rather than Joshua (which is an O.T. word for Jesus.
There are other verses in both the Old and New Testament that speak of this as well.
Twitter? I think this (AFF) is more of a blog than a "twitter."

[Walks_in_islam]

My arms are laid down. They are safely sitting back in the good ole US of A where they were made and sold. World peace indeed. Where do the implements of war come from anyway? Who made, developed, trained, propped up, and supplied the Osamas and Taliban of the world anyway? You say "Muslims" and indeed you will make me laugh.

NOTE and FYI: God does not allow the destruction of those who walk in His path and follow His laws. He NEVER has. Your faith in Him is impressive though. With your version of faith, perhaps it would be better hold on to all those weapons after all. How sad though. As you erode from within you will realize that all the weapons, bombs, and guns did you no good. The outcome of turning away from God is the same since the beginning of time and nothing changes it. Put YOUR weapons down and walk these streets with nothing but faith like I do before you spout about your "gospel of love" from behind a scope aimed at people who believe in God the way I believe in Him.

There are NO gun shops, gun manufacturers, gun suppliers around here. What are those 30 wars being fought with then? OH, i forgot. How rude of me. They are fought with the "gospel of love" that you people export. Real extermination of real people takes place in places like the Palestenian camps with bullets stamped "made in USA". You can keep your "gospel of love" and save it for a time you export that instead of exporting bullets, guns, and other instruments of violence. That time never has come and will never come. Conclusion: Keep it then and bat it around at your parties among yourselves while your community withers in darkness.

Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

How do you do this when things like compassion and love are viewed as a weakness, and those who practice such a thing are viewed by Muslims as fools? You (Muslims) never examine why we do it. Instead, you view us as idiots, and something in which to be exterminated. If all Muslims in the world today laid down their arms, there would be world wide peace. If we (The U.S. and/or Israel) did such a thing, and destroyed all of our weapons, we would be killed immediately. There are over 30 wars throughout the world. The majority, if not all, involve Muslims (including Muslim vs. Muslim). Maybe a gospel of hatred and a gospel of love can never exist in your world. If you want changed lives and something of value, accept Christianity.