No, he's not right. No matter how one spins it, this is now and has always been a MUCH bigger problem in the caucasian community than the African-American community and for MOW or anyone else to ignore the long-established statistics that are easily accessible (concerning male-male molestation) and attempt to make this a "Black problem" is to either be ignorant of the facts or intentionally racist.
Look at what it says....white inmates are THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY to have committed this act. I'd like to see a retraction. I think MOW's assertion is horribly misguided at best or bigoted at worst.
So just what "retraction" are you requesting? Are you wanting me to retract what I know? Exactly what did I "assert?"
You obviously, at least to me, have no clue whatsoever as to what on the "down-low" is. You need to do some reading up to be informed as to the difference between "traditional homosexual" behavior and "down-low" lifestyle/experimentation. Dismount your high-horse and get educated. There is plenty of material out there, but I'm not going to list it here. I actually have more black preacher friends than I do white ones. I have preached in more black churches in the past 20yrs than I have white ones.
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So just what "retraction" are you requesting? Are you wanting me to retract what I know? Exactly what did I "assert?"
You obviously, at least to me, have no clue whatsoever as to what on the "down-low" is. You need to do some reading up to be informed as to the difference between "traditional homosexual" behavior and "down-low" lifestyle/experimentation. Dismount your high-horse and get educated. There is plenty of material out there, but I'm not going to list it here. I actually have more black preacher friends than I do white ones. I have preached in more black churches in the past 20yrs than I have white ones.
Bully for you. It's always funny.....when someone has said something like you've said, their first defense is, "But my best friends are _______" and then name whatever group they've just bashed.
I don't expect you to back off. Expect the same in return. Long established research, statistics, and crime records are against you and you'll never be able to change that.
So yell from your bully-pulpit that I'm on a high-horse and tell me to get educated. I've heard it all from you before and it just makes you sound even more comical....telling me to get educated when absolute, established research is directly contradictory to your statements.
What you claim to "know" really doesn't mean anything in the world of fact-gathering and for you to make this a black problem is, like I've already said, ignorant or bigoted. What you're stating is the equivalent of my determining that my next-door neighbor, who is Assyrian, who smokes cigars, that Assyrians have a problem with cigars. You've taken something you've heard and turned it into a cultural problem and I think that's inexcusable.
So go ahead, take your best shots and make me sound pious, tell me I'm uneducated and whatever else makes you feel better. But it is what it is.
It sounds like a stereotype ... only founded on personal anecdotes.
Stereotypes often help fuel racism.
Yes, they do. I'm dumbfounded by what I'm reading here. I did the, "Say it ain't so, Joe" thing and was told, "It's so." This is brutally disappointing.
But evidently what you or I say doesn't matter because we don't "Pay the bills" as I was told. I wasn't aware that "Paying the bills" gave one the license to say such foolish things.
Characteristics of Offenders Who Violate and Assault Children
According to the Survey of Inmates of State Correctional Facilities by the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, the following statistics have been recorded concerning the characteristics of offenders who violate and assault children.
* Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.
* White inmates were nearly three times more likely to have victimized a child than black inmates.
* About one in every seven Hispanic convicts had been convicted for a crime against a child.
* Nearly two-thirds of convicted child molesters and/or offenders were or had been married.
* Child molesters and offenders were more likely to have grown up in a two parent home and were more likely to have been molested as a child.
* Approximately 22% of child offenders reported having been sexually abused as a child.
Characteristics of Offenders Who Violate and Assault Children
According to the Survey of Inmates of State Correctional Facilities by the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, the following statistics have been recorded concerning the characteristics of offenders who violate and assault children.
* Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.
* White inmates were nearly three times more likely to have victimized a child than black inmates.
* About one in every seven Hispanic convicts had been convicted for a crime against a child.
* Nearly two-thirds of convicted child molesters and/or offenders were or had been married.
* Child molesters and offenders were more likely to have grown up in a two parent home and were more likely to have been molested as a child.
* Approximately 22% of child offenders reported having been sexually abused as a child.
What does this have to do with Bishop Long?
These are not child molestation charges. The boys were 18 close to 18 or older.
I don't have much more to say, but I will say this. I do happen to know of several preachers who happen to be white who have gotten exposed in homosexual liaisons. However, there is no way that I would have come in during the threads we had here about Ted Haggard and made that observation. It would be immaterial to me because I also know of people of every race and creed who have been involved in similar things.
I don't have any problem discussing problems in the black community. I just don't see how this can be presented at all as a black preacher problem. It is unfortunately too big of a problem in too many places in too many people of all races.
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I don't have much more to say, but I will say this. I do happen to know of several preachers who happen to be white who have gotten exposed in homosexual liaisons. However, there is no way that I would have come in during the threads we had here about Ted Haggard and made that observation. It would be immaterial to me because I also know of people of every race and creed who have been involved in similar things.
I don't have any problem discussing problems in the black community. I just don't see how this can be presented at all as a black preacher problem. It is unfortunately too big of a problem in too many places in too many people of all races.
For every pastor that gets in trouble, there are 10,000 doing the very best they can.
I don't have much more to say, but I will say this. I do happen to know of several preachers who happen to be white who have gotten exposed in homosexual liaisons. However, there is no way that I would have come in during the threads we had here about Ted Haggard and made that observation. It would be immaterial to me because I also know of people of every race and creed who have been involved in similar things.
I don't have any problem discussing problems in the black community. I just don't see how this can be presented at all as a black preacher problem. It is unfortunately too big of a problem in too many places in too many people of all races.
Yep. And if someone would've come on here during the Haggard situation and said this is a white thing ... oh boy.
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