The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by rrford

Notice the past, present and future aspects of the verse.

Amen, it is very progressive. If one's faith does not progress to works it would be reasonable to question that faith. However, it could be due to malnutrition, no one nurturing.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Death is a separation from the body. The spirit/soul of a man doesn't die. So no, Jesus' Spirit did not die as in annihilation but was separated from his human body which is death. And yes, Jesus raised himself from the dead like he said he would. 2 Cor 5:1-5 Mt 22:32

What is your definition of death?

I have a feeling we need to be incredible careful to make the statment "God died" in any form. JMO.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Amen, it is very progressive. If one's faith does not progress to works it would be reasonable to question that faith. However, it could be due to malnutrition, no one nurturing.

James implies that faith is not alive until it has works.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

James implies that faith is not alive until it has works.

Works will follow all faith, but the mistake is to make the evidence of faith the salvation instead of the faith. Folks are all along the way.

[Brett Prince]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

James implies that faith is not alive until it has works.

I believe this approach to explaining a 3-step salvation plan is wrought with folly.

An apple tree has not proven it is truly an apple tree until it bears its fruit.

But, it is folly to declare it NOT an apple tree until it bears fruit, for indeed from the day it was but a foot tall, it was an apple tree. We could not be SURE that it was an apple tree until it bore fruit--and if it WERE an apple tree it WOULD bear apples--but it did NOT BECOME an apple tree when it bore its first apple. It was an apple tree LONG before that.

So, to try to take James and make it say faith is not alive until it has works is slightly off. Faith was alive long before the fruit came forward. We can simply be assured, says James, that if the faith is alive--the works will come.

James is not going to prove a 3-step salvation plan no matter how hard one tries.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by rrford

Acts 2:24
“Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.”

b. Romans 8:11
“But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.”

Seems to me that Scripture makes no definite delineation between the Father/Spirit raising Jesus from the dead. For obvious reasons, of course.

It goes back to the role of the Holy Spirit as a servant and the means by which God raised up Jesus from the dead. I think you're intelligent enough and know the Bible well enough to know that there is a distinction made between Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

[Brett Prince]

At times, TB, I think I get a glimpse of what you are saying, but this statement throws me.

I see that God is a Spirit. That is His substance. His nature is holy. Thus God is A Holy Spirit. There is none than can approach until His holiness, nor His magnitude and power, thus we establish absolute the definite article "the," and describe God as The Holy Spirit. I see no distinction there. I see FAR MORE distinction when I look at Jesus Christ because of the flesh aspect, but consider that God's Word was manifest or BECAME flesh to be observed by humankind.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

I believe this approach to explaining a 3-step salvation plan is wrought with folly.

An apple tree has not proven it is truly an apple tree until it bears its fruit.

But, it is folly to declare it NOT an apple tree until it bears fruit, for indeed from the day it was but a foot tall, it was an apple tree. We could not be SURE that it was an apple tree until it bore fruit--and if it WERE an apple tree it WOULD bear apples--but it did NOT BECOME an apple tree when it bore its first apple. It was an apple tree LONG before that.

So, to try to take James and make it say faith is not alive until it has works is slightly off. Faith was alive long before the fruit came forward. We can simply be assured, says James, that if the faith is alive--the works will come.

James is not going to prove a 3-step salvation plan no matter how hard one tries.

Good point Brett!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

I believe this approach to explaining a 3-step salvation plan is wrought with folly.

An apple tree has not proven it is truly an apple tree until it bears its fruit.

But, it is folly to declare it NOT an apple tree until it bears fruit, for indeed from the day it was but a foot tall, it was an apple tree. We could not be SURE that it was an apple tree until it bore fruit--and if it WERE an apple tree it WOULD bear apples--but it did NOT BECOME an apple tree when it bore its first apple. It was an apple tree LONG before that.

So, to try to take James and make it say faith is not alive until it has works is slightly off. Faith was alive long before the fruit came forward. We can simply be assured, says James, that if the faith is alive--the works will come.

James is not going to prove a 3-step salvation plan no matter how hard one tries.

Wow .. BP!!!

[SDG]

TB and BP ... if you don't mind ... I've quoted both of you at the I'M MORE ONENESS THAN YOU thread ...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...p?t=738&page=9